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I think the focus on the toxic user base is an artifact of the idea of one-dimensionally categorizing people based on their political ideology. That is such a
by narrator 8y ago
I think the focus on the toxic user base is an artifact of the idea of one-dimensionally categorizing people based on their political ideology. That is such a hot button right now that it completely overshadows all other contributions to society in most forums. Reddit, by allowing some bad behavior and anonymity diffuses that ever present political aspect of modern life.
- slg 8y agoThe kind of toxic people we are talking about on Reddit are not toxic for their politics. Racism, bigotry, and misogyny are not political topics. It isn't like tax policy or any other topic that can be debated. There is one clear side that is wrong.
- B0btheBuilder 8y agoOn top of that, said toxic people usually start harassing other users.
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- narrator 8y agoRacism, bigotry and misogyny are politics. You perfectly demonstrate my point in that you hold the political aspects above all other aspects in determining the validity of an entire persons life and contribution to society because of the ideas they express. For example, Roseanne making one tweet and ruining her whole career. Reddit doesn't force that sort of political conformity on people.
- ryneandal 8y agoIf you think Roseanne's sins were limited to a single tweet, you're woefully uninformed on the matter. It was the sum of all of her past transgressions, the tweet was merely the straw breaking the camel's back, surprisingly. I would have thought it was the Nazi cookie photoshoot.
- Retra 8y agoHave you heard the phrase "know your audience"? A professional comedian should. Because if they don't, they might not produce any laughs. And if they can't do that, how are they going to get paid?
- dbasedweeb 8y agoOne tweet? No no... that isn’t what happened. She crapped out a hundred tweets today alone, but let’s look back. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/05/29/roseanne-barr-offensive-tweeting-actually-nothing-new/652292002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/05/29/rosean... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/arts/television/twitter-posts-roseanne-barr.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/arts/television/twitter-p... Just a list of mad shit from her: https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjones/roseanne-barr-tweets-that-werent-repugnant-enough-for?utm_term=.iqxKLBdovv#.mgznap15oo https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjones/roseanne-barr-tweets-th...
- beedogs 8y agoWow, what a disingenuous comment.
- manfredo 8y agoSo there's no debate to be had on affirmative action, and everyone who supports it is racist and wrong? Plenty of people I know consider it racist. The reality is, how people and groups define terms like racism, bigotry, and misogyny is often very politicized.
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- Spivak 8y agoSure? You'll find tons of /relatively/ civil and non-toxic discussions of the issue on places like CMV. Toxicity comes into play when the trust that all parties are having an honest discussion break down and everyone believes everyone else is speaking with the two sides of their mouth.
- ouid 8y agoI feel like CMV is overrated.
- humanrebar 8y agoAgreed. The dialect is structurally skewed. I commented in more detail a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15098541 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15098541
- slg 8y agoIt is possible to have a civil discussion about things like affirmative action or immigration policy. Many reasonable people can disagree on those issues (racists just happen to have very strong opinions on these issues). You are being naive if you think everything that is labeled as racist on Reddit is part of a normal civil discussion. Subreddits like /r/Coontown and the many-headed hydra that pop up whenever those subreddits are banned are not looking to civilly debate these policies. They are looking to spread hate. Hate is not a political opinion. Hate is not worth tolerating.
- stelonix 8y agoSo, your comment is a pretty good example why I find Reddit such a toxic place. It's filled with absolute truths, and if you disagree you're a bot, a shill. You make a rational, logical, thoughtful comment but if you disagree with the "hivemind" someone else will just dismiss you with some dumb one-liner, eg. "How much does the FSB pay you?". Nowadays for example it's Russo/Sinophobia. I'm not talking about Trump supporters either, I'm talking about accounts which seem to be from every direction of the political spectrum repeat jargons and falsehoods without previously being given some critical thought into. While we only hear about Russia's and China's cyber ops on western news outlets, whenever I look into Reddit it feels quite the opposite. It feels like the perfect place to foment war, jingoism and xenophobia. Just look at /r/worldnews.
- wolco 8y agoEvery topic has many side and those topics are very current issues in politics today. The meaning of those terms are constantly changing. Issue don't have a right or wrong side unless you have adopted a position.
- dbasedweeb 8y agoSo you’re agnostic on murder, slavery, torture of children and animals, and rape? Come on, we have tons of clear rights and wrongs, and the kind of absolute moral relativism you’re peddling is a smokescreen.
- wolco 8y agoMoral absolutism can make it seem like you are on the right side of the debate even when the ground is shifting. Lets take slavery as an example. Did you know that federal and state prisioners are forced to work for 30 cents or less an hour. If they refuse they get put in solitary. The average time someone is in solitary in the California prison system is 7.5 years. That is a form of torture. Slavery still exists lawfully so does torture. Are you aware/against those forms of slavery/torture? Is everyone who is against slavery against this form? I think there is still some room for conversations around this issue and all of the other general topics. I mean murder can be seen as a net benefit if someone murdered hilter before he took power.
- dbasedweeb 8y agoLets take slavery as an example. Did you know that federal and state prisioners are forced to work for 30 cents or less an hour. If they refuse they get put in solitary. The average time someone is in solitary in the California prison system is 7.5 years. That is a form of torture. Slavery still exists lawfully so does torture. Conflating legality with morality is silly. Are you aware/against those forms of slavery/torture? Yes, because there are some moral absolutes, which is why you retreated from a moral argument into a legal one.
- swebs 8y ago>There is one clear side that is wrong. You're doing a really good impression of the average toxic Reddit user.
- neolefty 8y agoI think this is the more important part of the quote: > Racism, bigotry, and misogyny are not political topics. Is there gray to any of those?
- hueving 8y agoYep, the UN classifies discrimination based on country of citizenship as racism (a.k.a xenophobia). Every rich country has all kinds of social benefits reserved only for citizens, and nobody is proposing the removal of these programs despite their racist underpinnings.
- swebs 8y ago>Bigotry: noun. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Hmmm...
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- steveeq1 8y agoYou're equally hard on thug-rap subreddits, right?
- beedogs 8y agowhat the hell does that even mean? You've used that term ("thug-rap subreddits") twice here in this discussion, and I'm pretty sure you're just trying to bait, because not only do they simply not exist, but even if one did, it would be about 1/100000th the size of a toxic waste dump like The_Donald or any of the MRA swamps that plague Reddit.
- steveeq1 8y agorap music, but done by thugs is what I mean. And the lyrics of these rap songs spew out hate speech all the time. You've never heard rap music before?
- beedogs 8y agoI've heard plenty of rap music, mate, and all I can conclude is you're racist as hell. Also, wow, you've been pushing this "rap music is racist" nonsense for almost a year: > Would you hold that same opinion if the thing said were, say, violent american black rap lyrics? > I can just as easily say "walking in any major US city, you can find young male black thugs. . ." And then use that as a justification to ban many rap lyrics on the basis of "hate speech". > Yes, I agree. We can easily apply the same logic and apply the ban to, say, gangsta rap, as many of lyrics are hate speech. But I'm willing to bet most people would be against this. And you've just been flat-out racist here for even longer: > How about: Blacks contribute over 50% of violent crimes, homicides and rapes. It is ok to consider dealing with ghetto black types as a "high risk activity" > I think culture also plays a role in explaining crime stats, not just poverty. Low income asian areas experience far fewer crime levels than corresponding low income black areas. I did find this one ironic, though: > Saying people in overwhelmingly white suburbs are racist is racist in and of itself. You shouldn't generalize people's behavior based on the color of one's skin!
- lordvigm 8y agoI think facebook is more toxic than reddit in some cases. We are just shielded from them as we don't interact with too many people on facebook
- Yokohiii 8y agoThis has so much bigotry.
- baud147258 8y agoIn your case it's always the side that don't agree with you that's wrong, isn't it? From my viewpoint, by holding strongly on your position, you are bigot no better that the racists fks on reddit.
- exelius 8y agoIt ain’t politics; it’s a particularly aggressive form of argumentation that holds no boundaries. Even the most hateful subreddit enforces standards (no doxxing, no brigading, etc) because if they don’t, they know the Reddit admins will shut them down or force them private (invite-only). The subject matter of the sub doesn’t matter, the toxicity is in the methods.