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You've even bothered to create a specific username? Nice. So, mr skeptic, here's dozens of articles about investigation: https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-cra

You've even bothered to create a specific username? Nice. So, mr skeptic, here's dozens of articles about investigation: https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-crash/ https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-crash/ They even had a separate presentation in Russian at the bottom of the page.

mh17skeptic 8y ago
Of course there's dozens of articles there. What makes you think this source is credible? If a passenger aircraft was supposedly shot down with a surface-to-air missile over, for example, Argentina, would you expect an international investigation team to say they checked with Argentinian air defence bases and made sure their launchers don't have traces of a recent launch? Has JIT said anything of this sort?
- reitanqild 8y ago
  I've tried to summarize here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17191001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17191001
- gandhium 8y ago
  > What makes you think this source is credible? This is an international investigation team. I think it's credible enough.
  - mh17skeptic 8y ago
    Imagine a similar incident in, say, Syria, investigated by an international team lead by Russians with some involvement of Belarus and Iran. Let's say they publish a report blaming US-supported rebels. Would you lend the same credence to this hypothetical report?
    - gandhium 8y ago
      Add North Korea and Abkhazia to the list and you will get your answer.
      - mh17skeptic 8y ago
        Why not. That probably makes the team even more international. I even heard North Korea has quite a bit of expertise in missiles.
  - mh17skeptic 8y ago
    I just read the fresh news about Malaysian minister not convinced with the evidence [1] and have to admit you can be right here. We'll see what happens next, but it doesn't seem entirely impossible that this bunch of officials is indeed just one nation too diverse to lie in concert. [1] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/no-conclusive-evidence-russia-behind-mh17-downing-malaysia-10290266 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/no-conclusive-evid...

mh17skeptic 8y ago

Of course there's dozens of articles there. What makes you think this source is credible? If a passenger aircraft was supposedly shot down with a surface-to-air missile over, for example, Argentina, would you expect an international investigation team to say they checked with Argentinian air defence bases and made sure their launchers don't have traces of a recent launch? Has JIT said anything of this sort?

reitanqild 8y ago
I've tried to summarize here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17191001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17191001
gandhium 8y ago
> What makes you think this source is credible? This is an international investigation team. I think it's credible enough.
- mh17skeptic 8y ago
  Imagine a similar incident in, say, Syria, investigated by an international team lead by Russians with some involvement of Belarus and Iran. Let's say they publish a report blaming US-supported rebels. Would you lend the same credence to this hypothetical report?
  - gandhium 8y ago
    Add North Korea and Abkhazia to the list and you will get your answer.
    - mh17skeptic 8y ago
      Why not. That probably makes the team even more international. I even heard North Korea has quite a bit of expertise in missiles.
- mh17skeptic 8y ago
  I just read the fresh news about Malaysian minister not convinced with the evidence [1] and have to admit you can be right here. We'll see what happens next, but it doesn't seem entirely impossible that this bunch of officials is indeed just one nation too diverse to lie in concert. [1] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/no-conclusive-evidence-russia-behind-mh17-downing-malaysia-10290266 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/no-conclusive-evid...