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So, Model 3 has regenerative brake (uses magnetic resistance to slow car) and regular brakes that every other car has. I believe the tradeoff / timing about whe

So, Model 3 has regenerative brake (uses magnetic resistance to slow car) and regular brakes that every other car has. I believe the tradeoff / timing about when to switch between the two braking systems was slightly off, favoring more energy efficiency rather than the best stopping distance. When this was pointed out they simply adjusted their algorithm for a better overall tradeoff.

amluto 8y ago
Unless the Model 3 is very different from the other Tesla cars, there is no such tradeoff. In a Model S, regenerative braking is triggered by releasing the accelerator pedal. Mechanical braking is triggered by stepping on the brake pedal. I assume that Tesla just screwed up the antilock breaks. If you push the brake pedal all the way down on a dry road, you’re supposed to get full braking power by a mechanical linkage. No software needed.
- hoffbrau99 8y ago
  >> antilock breaks antilock brakes
- stephengillie 8y ago
  In a Camry Hybrid, the "tachometer" has a charging section, to show how much of the regeneration you're using when braking. Above the crawl speed, it also trims the car speed as regenerative braking. Pressing the brake pedal increases regenerative braking - up to maximum, and engages the mechanical brakes at some point. I'd hope Teslas aren't wasting all of their stopping energy as brake heat, and instead regain some through regeneration as well. Ideally, both braking systems would be combined to maximize stopping ability. However not combining them might explain the Model 3's abysmal (longer than an F-150!) stopping distance. > antilock breaks. Break is what the car does when the brakes don't work. Petals will be on the flowers if you don't press the pedal. English is fun.
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    Toyota and Tesla do braking completely differently. Tesla has one pedal driving, same as the Bolt. Taking your foot off the accelerator does regenerative braking. Pressing the brake pedal also engages the mechanical brakes.
jonknee 8y ago
It's extremely embarrassing/telling that it took Consumer Reports to point out their new car doesn't stop well.
- martin_bech 8y ago
  This was not an issue on all cars.
  - cjrp 8y ago
    Hit and miss braking on a single product line seems... kind of worse?
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      I had my Mercedes SLK350 try to launch me into an intersection once while stopped at the red light with my foot on the brake. The dealership reset the ECU and said “Let us know if it happens again.” Why everyone thinks these issues are Tesla specific is beyond me. They can at least address them over the air.
      - martin_bech 8y ago
        When I think about it, my BMW 3 series, also had a strange loss of accelartion in certain situations (very minor). Was fixed during a service interval, by flashing the ECU.
- blevin 8y ago
  Alternately, it's amazing and inspiring what just happened; other high-end car makers with a century of experience have shipped imperfect brakes for years (1) and only redesigned them on new models in response to complaints. Tesla, by comparison, is applying the Apple model (when Apple is at its best) of continuous over-the-air product improvement, which can change one’s sense of a product's value for money. 1. MERCEDES CANCELS BY-WIRE BRAKE SYSTEM; DECISION A BLOW TO TECHNOLOGY'S FUTURE. "When the system failed, the hydraulic system took over. But that resulted in a longer stopping distance and additional brake pedal effort by the driver." http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mercedes-cancels-wire-brake-system-decision-blow-technologys-future http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mercedes-cancels-wire-b...
ProfessorLayton 8y ago
That still doesn't answer why the braking distance differed between the first test, and all subsequent tests, results which were repeated on two different Model 3s.

amluto 8y ago

Unless the Model 3 is very different from the other Tesla cars, there is no such tradeoff. In a Model S, regenerative braking is triggered by releasing the accelerator pedal. Mechanical braking is triggered by stepping on the brake pedal. I assume that Tesla just screwed up the antilock breaks. If you push the brake pedal all the way down on a dry road, you’re supposed to get full braking power by a mechanical linkage. No software needed.

hoffbrau99 8y ago
>> antilock breaks antilock brakes
stephengillie 8y ago
In a Camry Hybrid, the "tachometer" has a charging section, to show how much of the regeneration you're using when braking. Above the crawl speed, it also trims the car speed as regenerative braking. Pressing the brake pedal increases regenerative braking - up to maximum, and engages the mechanical brakes at some point. I'd hope Teslas aren't wasting all of their stopping energy as brake heat, and instead regain some through regeneration as well. Ideally, both braking systems would be combined to maximize stopping ability. However not combining them might explain the Model 3's abysmal (longer than an F-150!) stopping distance. > antilock breaks. Break is what the car does when the brakes don't work. Petals will be on the flowers if you don't press the pedal. English is fun.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  Toyota and Tesla do braking completely differently. Tesla has one pedal driving, same as the Bolt. Taking your foot off the accelerator does regenerative braking. Pressing the brake pedal also engages the mechanical brakes.

jonknee 8y ago

It's extremely embarrassing/telling that it took Consumer Reports to point out their new car doesn't stop well.

martin_bech 8y ago
This was not an issue on all cars.
- cjrp 8y ago
  Hit and miss braking on a single product line seems... kind of worse?
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    I had my Mercedes SLK350 try to launch me into an intersection once while stopped at the red light with my foot on the brake. The dealership reset the ECU and said “Let us know if it happens again.” Why everyone thinks these issues are Tesla specific is beyond me. They can at least address them over the air.
    - martin_bech 8y ago
      When I think about it, my BMW 3 series, also had a strange loss of accelartion in certain situations (very minor). Was fixed during a service interval, by flashing the ECU.
blevin 8y ago
Alternately, it's amazing and inspiring what just happened; other high-end car makers with a century of experience have shipped imperfect brakes for years (1) and only redesigned them on new models in response to complaints. Tesla, by comparison, is applying the Apple model (when Apple is at its best) of continuous over-the-air product improvement, which can change one’s sense of a product's value for money. 1. MERCEDES CANCELS BY-WIRE BRAKE SYSTEM; DECISION A BLOW TO TECHNOLOGY'S FUTURE. "When the system failed, the hydraulic system took over. But that resulted in a longer stopping distance and additional brake pedal effort by the driver." http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mercedes-cancels-wire-brake-system-decision-blow-technologys-future http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/mercedes-cancels-wire-b...

ProfessorLayton 8y ago

That still doesn't answer why the braking distance differed between the first test, and all subsequent tests, results which were repeated on two different Model 3s.