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Maybe in ten years I’ll be able to buy a MacBook with 32gb RAM!

dijit 8y ago
That's currently limited by Intel; Apple wont put high power DIMMS into Macbooks; Intel do not suport LP-DDR4 > 16G right now, Although that's expected to change soon. I have a Kaby-Lake Dell laptop which has full power DDR4 because I wanted 32G, but it costs in battery life.
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- mromanuk 8y ago
  How much impact the battery?
- wtallis 8y ago
  To clarify: Macbooks and similar machines currently use LPDDR3, which allows for significantly better battery life than DDR4. Intel never expected to need LPDDR4 support for their 14nm processors, and their 10nm processors that have updated DRAM controllers supporting LPDDR4 have been repeatedly delayed. Intel's current processors can only use 16GB of LPDDR3 given the number of channels on Intel's memory controllers and the available density of LPDDR3 chips. LPDDR4 is available in higher densities and is catching on in other product segments, so it's entirely possible to buy an ultrabook that uses LPDDR3 with its CPU but has LPDDR4 in its SSD.
  - ksec 8y ago
    And the 10nm Intel Notebook CPU, at least one that can be used in MB or MBP, isn't expected to arrive until next year.
mromanuk 8y ago
I'm hoping to get one Macbook Pro in 2019, please with the keyboard of my current 2015 version, also.
- no1youknowz 8y ago
  Oh Brother! We are on the same page! I wish there was some kind of go-fundme page where was generating funds to sue Apple / Jonny Ive / Dan Riccio. Not for damages or anything, but just to get in a room with one of them and beg and plead for a "developer" macbook. Ah a guy can dream :)
  - mromanuk 8y ago
    yes! They should call it Macbook WOZ (expandable, geek and dev friendly, which actually would be the real PRO version) with lot of ports and a beefy battery (to charge it once at night)
    - linguae 8y ago
      I concur. I would love to purchase a MacBook WOZ. While we're on the Woz theme, I'm imagining such a laptop to have a design reminiscent of the Apple IIgs with the beige color, the stripes, and the rainbow Apple logo, but thin enough to be able to fit into one's backpack (about the same thickness and weight as the pre-Retina MacBook Pro). Bonus points if it had a traditional non-chiclet keyboard, and even more points if it has Woz's signature somewhere to the side of the trackpad.
- tarellel 8y ago
  My personal MBP has been chugging along. It's a late 2011 15" MBP, I swapped out the RAM and put in 16GB and I also have a 512GB SSD. And it keeps up with several of my co-workers devices, the only real issue I have with it is the Graphics Card, but it's not like I'm playing all day or anything. The only issue I've had, was when I had send it to Apple for a Logic Board issue; my MPB was a 2.8ghz i7, when they returned it after repairs it was a 2.2ghz. When you go to purchase a mac, that extra procesing speed is hundred of dollars. But after complaining the credit card charges were dropped and my repairs were free. (Even if I'm sure it cost them next to nothing to do the repairs.) But I'm more than ready for an upgrade, I've actually bought a few Refurbished Mac's in the past and they've always seemed to be a good price for exactly what I needed.
craftyguy 8y ago
It's hilarious that my ~6 year old Lenovo x230 (16GB) has as much, if not more, memory than many 'top of the line' laptops today. It seems that the high price of RAM over the last few years has really stagnated the increase of RAM in systems, or OEMs decided they didn't really have to add more.
- yuhong 8y ago
  It probably don't help that Intel decided not to officially support 8Gbit DDR3 and that not all Skylake laptops were DDR4. It is also funny that DDR3 ended up lasting more than a decade.
- scarface74 8y ago
  My 2009 Core 2 Duo laptop that I'm using as a Plex Server came with 8GB RAM. The same amount of RAM that most PCs start with today.

That's currently limited by Intel; Apple wont put high power DIMMS into Macbooks; Intel do not suport LP-DDR4 > 16G right now, Although that's expected to change soon. I have a Kaby-Lake Dell laptop which has full power DDR4 because I wanted 32G, but it costs in battery life.

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mromanuk 8y ago
How much impact the battery?
wtallis 8y ago
To clarify: Macbooks and similar machines currently use LPDDR3, which allows for significantly better battery life than DDR4. Intel never expected to need LPDDR4 support for their 14nm processors, and their 10nm processors that have updated DRAM controllers supporting LPDDR4 have been repeatedly delayed. Intel's current processors can only use 16GB of LPDDR3 given the number of channels on Intel's memory controllers and the available density of LPDDR3 chips. LPDDR4 is available in higher densities and is catching on in other product segments, so it's entirely possible to buy an ultrabook that uses LPDDR3 with its CPU but has LPDDR4 in its SSD.
- ksec 8y ago
  And the 10nm Intel Notebook CPU, at least one that can be used in MB or MBP, isn't expected to arrive until next year.

mromanuk 8y ago

I'm hoping to get one Macbook Pro in 2019, please with the keyboard of my current 2015 version, also.

no1youknowz 8y ago
Oh Brother! We are on the same page! I wish there was some kind of go-fundme page where was generating funds to sue Apple / Jonny Ive / Dan Riccio. Not for damages or anything, but just to get in a room with one of them and beg and plead for a "developer" macbook. Ah a guy can dream :)
- mromanuk 8y ago
  yes! They should call it Macbook WOZ (expandable, geek and dev friendly, which actually would be the real PRO version) with lot of ports and a beefy battery (to charge it once at night)
  - linguae 8y ago
    I concur. I would love to purchase a MacBook WOZ. While we're on the Woz theme, I'm imagining such a laptop to have a design reminiscent of the Apple IIgs with the beige color, the stripes, and the rainbow Apple logo, but thin enough to be able to fit into one's backpack (about the same thickness and weight as the pre-Retina MacBook Pro). Bonus points if it had a traditional non-chiclet keyboard, and even more points if it has Woz's signature somewhere to the side of the trackpad.
tarellel 8y ago
My personal MBP has been chugging along. It's a late 2011 15" MBP, I swapped out the RAM and put in 16GB and I also have a 512GB SSD. And it keeps up with several of my co-workers devices, the only real issue I have with it is the Graphics Card, but it's not like I'm playing all day or anything. The only issue I've had, was when I had send it to Apple for a Logic Board issue; my MPB was a 2.8ghz i7, when they returned it after repairs it was a 2.2ghz. When you go to purchase a mac, that extra procesing speed is hundred of dollars. But after complaining the credit card charges were dropped and my repairs were free. (Even if I'm sure it cost them next to nothing to do the repairs.) But I'm more than ready for an upgrade, I've actually bought a few Refurbished Mac's in the past and they've always seemed to be a good price for exactly what I needed.

craftyguy 8y ago

It's hilarious that my ~6 year old Lenovo x230 (16GB) has as much, if not more, memory than many 'top of the line' laptops today. It seems that the high price of RAM over the last few years has really stagnated the increase of RAM in systems, or OEMs decided they didn't really have to add more.

yuhong 8y ago
It probably don't help that Intel decided not to officially support 8Gbit DDR3 and that not all Skylake laptops were DDR4. It is also funny that DDR3 ended up lasting more than a decade.
scarface74 8y ago
My 2009 Core 2 Duo laptop that I'm using as a Plex Server came with 8GB RAM. The same amount of RAM that most PCs start with today.