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One of the things about mainstream journalism I've noticed in the last few years is that for the most part is they're generally not completely wrong - at least

One of the things about mainstream journalism I've noticed in the last few years is that for the most part is they're generally not completely wrong - at least about something on this scale. I'm referring to generally free and open western news organizations. And I know plenty of news organizations can get stories muted by governments in some cases for national security reasons, but often not as binary as this. The fact that this happened is pretty amazing.

nebulous1 8y ago
They will report what they're told by the official source, as they did in this case. This isn't on the mainstream media. I'm not entirely convinced you read the article! edit: there's some confusion over my statement "this isn't on the mainstream media". I mean that this isn't the mainstream media's fault.
- coding123 8y ago
  I saw it on CNNs site before HN
- josephjrobison 8y ago
  BBC yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44296672 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44296672 BBC today: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611 NY Times yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/world/europe/russian-journalist-killed-kiev.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/world/europe/russian-jour... NY Times today: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/world/europe/arkady-babchenko-russian-journalist-killed.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/world/europe/arkady-babch...
- volgo 8y ago
  > This isn't on the mainstream media This is blatantly false. It was reported on the BBC and the New York Times, two of the world's biggest mainstream newspapers
  - shkkmo 8y ago
    With "on" I believe they are using the common short hand for ascribing blame (as in "It's not on you, it's on me") not claiming that mainstream articles didn't report the death.
  - travem 8y ago
    The intent of the phrase may have been that the "blame" for this being misreported isn't "on" the mainstream media, not that the story itself wasn't on the mainstream media.
  - nebulous1 8y ago
    Oops, I hadn't even considered "on" being interpreted in that sense! As others have suggested, I meant "on" in the sense of "blamable on".
- lazyasciiart 8y ago
  I think you mean "this isn't the fault of the mainstream media", not "this didn't show up on the mainstream media", right?
- superflyguy 8y ago
  Mainstream, man! It's not in the mainstream media, maaan! They're keeping you stupid! Wake up sheeple, because...oh, it's on the BBC. Literally the state news service of the UK. Still, can't trust them man, they're lying to you.
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  > They will report what they're told by the official source Well, if they are pushing government propaganda, as media often does (it has to due to manufactured consent, governments won't allow it any other way). Otherwise they should never report anything officials claim without a lot of criticism and skepticism.
  - nebulous1 8y ago
    If the official source has a habit of lying about similar issues to the media then I'd agree. Generally when the police say that somebody has been murdered then they've been murdered. Treating such a claim by the police skeptically would be generally ridiculous unless they have a reason to do so.
    - zzzcpan 8y ago
      Official sources, especially law enforcement, have a habit of loaded claims with regards to everything. There is always an agenda, some propaganda, someone "bad", something "bad" happening to scare people and so on, with pretty much no verifiable information. But even if for some miracle it is verifiable, why would media ever report on any of that, when there are a lot more deaths from other causes, all barely reported and a lot more other issues. Obviously government propaganda somehow has priority in mainstream media over any actual issues societies face.
      - nebulous1 8y ago
        Please provide a reference demonstrating that law enforcement have a habit of saying that people have been murdered when they haven't
creaghpatr 8y ago
>they're generally not completely wrong - at least about something on this scale. That's a pretty low threshold.

nebulous1 8y ago

They will report what they're told by the official source, as they did in this case. This isn't on the mainstream media. I'm not entirely convinced you read the article! edit: there's some confusion over my statement "this isn't on the mainstream media". I mean that this isn't the mainstream media's fault.

coding123 8y ago
I saw it on CNNs site before HN
josephjrobison 8y ago
BBC yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44296672 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44296672 BBC today: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611 NY Times yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/world/europe/russian-journalist-killed-kiev.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/world/europe/russian-jour... NY Times today: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/world/europe/arkady-babchenko-russian-journalist-killed.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/world/europe/arkady-babch...
volgo 8y ago
> This isn't on the mainstream media This is blatantly false. It was reported on the BBC and the New York Times, two of the world's biggest mainstream newspapers
- shkkmo 8y ago
  With "on" I believe they are using the common short hand for ascribing blame (as in "It's not on you, it's on me") not claiming that mainstream articles didn't report the death.
- travem 8y ago
  The intent of the phrase may have been that the "blame" for this being misreported isn't "on" the mainstream media, not that the story itself wasn't on the mainstream media.
- nebulous1 8y ago
  Oops, I hadn't even considered "on" being interpreted in that sense! As others have suggested, I meant "on" in the sense of "blamable on".
lazyasciiart 8y ago
I think you mean "this isn't the fault of the mainstream media", not "this didn't show up on the mainstream media", right?
superflyguy 8y ago
Mainstream, man! It's not in the mainstream media, maaan! They're keeping you stupid! Wake up sheeple, because...oh, it's on the BBC. Literally the state news service of the UK. Still, can't trust them man, they're lying to you.
zzzcpan 8y ago
> They will report what they're told by the official source Well, if they are pushing government propaganda, as media often does (it has to due to manufactured consent, governments won't allow it any other way). Otherwise they should never report anything officials claim without a lot of criticism and skepticism.
- nebulous1 8y ago
  If the official source has a habit of lying about similar issues to the media then I'd agree. Generally when the police say that somebody has been murdered then they've been murdered. Treating such a claim by the police skeptically would be generally ridiculous unless they have a reason to do so.
  - zzzcpan 8y ago
    Official sources, especially law enforcement, have a habit of loaded claims with regards to everything. There is always an agenda, some propaganda, someone "bad", something "bad" happening to scare people and so on, with pretty much no verifiable information. But even if for some miracle it is verifiable, why would media ever report on any of that, when there are a lot more deaths from other causes, all barely reported and a lot more other issues. Obviously government propaganda somehow has priority in mainstream media over any actual issues societies face.
    - nebulous1 8y ago
      Please provide a reference demonstrating that law enforcement have a habit of saying that people have been murdered when they haven't

creaghpatr 8y ago

>they're generally not completely wrong - at least about something on this scale. That's a pretty low threshold.