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For big companies, this is a small problem to implement. For small companies, it's a big problem. I am all for protecting the consumer but GDPR is going too fa

For big companies, this is a small problem to implement. For small companies, it's a big problem. I am all for protecting the consumer but GDPR is going too far with what I would call optics rather than actual consumer protection. I.e. things that look and sounds like they are protecting the user when they are really just adding more bureaucracy to the companies.

throwaway2016a 8y ago
While I agree with you I'll add another... For a new company that hasn't built the product yet this is a small(ish) problem to implement. New products can bake in privacy thinking directly from the first line of code. Who gets hit the hardest by this are small companies with legacy systems. Who don't necessarily have the budget to dive into the legacy stuff.
realusername 8y ago
> I am all for protecting the consumer but GDPR is going too far with what I would call optics rather than actual consumer protection Too far from what? Thanks to the GDPR, I received 100s of emails of services I never signed up for who scrapped my details from LinkedIn with bots. The industry went way too far with what would have been acceptable and that's why we need laws like this.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  The law could simply punish those who do harm. All you are getting now is further boltering for those you end up being gamed to sign up for. I understand the pupose and intent of the law but it could have been done much more elegantly. Those who want to missuse your data will still do that they will just find another way to do it.
  - realusername 8y ago
    > The law could simply punish those who do harm That's exactly what the GDPR is doing I feel, you get punished for data misuse, it looks a good idea to reduce this kind of abuse. > All you are getting now is further boltering for those you end up being gamed to sign up for. I did not get gamed to sign up, they just scrapped my data and added me to their database, I did not do any action and they did not made me sign up with a trick (I also had a few of those yes but the majority are just data scrapping) > Those who want to missuse your data will still do that they will just find another way to do it. That's the argument you could make with every law basically. I also hear the same argument for car speeding "they could just drive faster at another place and not get caught". It's indeed true but it's not because there's still ways of misuse that we should abandon everything.
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      No, it also requires companies to make a lot of bureaucratic exercises. If it only punished for misuse and didn't put the bureaucratic burden on companies I would have no problem with that. It's that it makes it burdensome for a lot of companies who are aren't actually misusing your data. This is my main argument and GDRP is only the beginning now EPR is going to be implemented making it even harder to make it work in a digital economy.
hannasanarion 8y ago
How is it a big problem? What about GDPR is so hard to implement? Is it really that difficult to not collect data on people that you don't need?
- ThomPete 8y ago
  It's not that simple. When a company collects data often times it's not to misuse it but to improve the experience for the user. Again I have no problem with people being fined for misusing data I just don't see how this is going to hinder that it will, however, make it way more burdensome for companies to do anything innovative because they are suddenly liable. On the other side users who then end up actually agreeing one giving away data suddenly ends up much weaker because they gave consent. So it's just going to make things way more muddy IMO.

throwaway2016a 8y ago

While I agree with you I'll add another... For a new company that hasn't built the product yet this is a small(ish) problem to implement. New products can bake in privacy thinking directly from the first line of code. Who gets hit the hardest by this are small companies with legacy systems. Who don't necessarily have the budget to dive into the legacy stuff.

realusername 8y ago

> I am all for protecting the consumer but GDPR is going too far with what I would call optics rather than actual consumer protection Too far from what? Thanks to the GDPR, I received 100s of emails of services I never signed up for who scrapped my details from LinkedIn with bots. The industry went way too far with what would have been acceptable and that's why we need laws like this.

ThomPete 8y ago
The law could simply punish those who do harm. All you are getting now is further boltering for those you end up being gamed to sign up for. I understand the pupose and intent of the law but it could have been done much more elegantly. Those who want to missuse your data will still do that they will just find another way to do it.
- realusername 8y ago
  > The law could simply punish those who do harm That's exactly what the GDPR is doing I feel, you get punished for data misuse, it looks a good idea to reduce this kind of abuse. > All you are getting now is further boltering for those you end up being gamed to sign up for. I did not get gamed to sign up, they just scrapped my data and added me to their database, I did not do any action and they did not made me sign up with a trick (I also had a few of those yes but the majority are just data scrapping) > Those who want to missuse your data will still do that they will just find another way to do it. That's the argument you could make with every law basically. I also hear the same argument for car speeding "they could just drive faster at another place and not get caught". It's indeed true but it's not because there's still ways of misuse that we should abandon everything.
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    No, it also requires companies to make a lot of bureaucratic exercises. If it only punished for misuse and didn't put the bureaucratic burden on companies I would have no problem with that. It's that it makes it burdensome for a lot of companies who are aren't actually misusing your data. This is my main argument and GDRP is only the beginning now EPR is going to be implemented making it even harder to make it work in a digital economy.

hannasanarion 8y ago

How is it a big problem? What about GDPR is so hard to implement? Is it really that difficult to not collect data on people that you don't need?

ThomPete 8y ago
It's not that simple. When a company collects data often times it's not to misuse it but to improve the experience for the user. Again I have no problem with people being fined for misusing data I just don't see how this is going to hinder that it will, however, make it way more burdensome for companies to do anything innovative because they are suddenly liable. On the other side users who then end up actually agreeing one giving away data suddenly ends up much weaker because they gave consent. So it's just going to make things way more muddy IMO.