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Exactly: you get that benefit with adaptive cruise control. What autopilot adds is autosteer. What’s the benefit there that doesn’t violate TOS? You are suppose

Exactly: you get that benefit with adaptive cruise control. What autopilot adds is autosteer. What’s the benefit there that doesn’t violate TOS? You are supposed to keep your hands on the wheel and pay full attention just the same.

Too 8y ago
It moves your mind from micro to macro. Instead of focusing on balancing the car within the lane I can look 500m in front and plan further ahead. I can also spend 2 seconds with eyes off road adjusting the navigation compared to without where you can only spend maybe max 0.5sec. I also feel much fresher after a long trip, constant minor adjustments sounds minor but once you've driven with a good lane keeping aid(not the ping-pong versions) it feels so much more comfortable when the steering wheel is magnetically trying to snap to the center of the lane. It still feels like you are driving but the path of least resistance is always pulling you towards the center of the lane. This would still be considered level 2 self driving, the danger comes when you go to level 3 and really take your mind off the road, those I think should never be allowed on the road.
- userbinator 8y ago
  It still feels like you are driving but the path of least resistance is always pulling you towards the center of the lane. ...except when it doesn't, and you're forced to suddenly comprehend the unusual situation and react before its too late: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I
  - _Tev 8y ago
    That was not 2s but 4s and you could predict that happening even before that. Does not seem like especially dangerous situation when you approach autopilot as GP does.
    - abalone 8y ago
      Totally disagree. Someone was literally killed there. Realistically “2 seconds” could be understating the length of the distraction, plus it takes you a certain amount of time to mentally re-engage and understand what is going on. Especially in a weird situation like that.
- abalone 8y ago
  A lot can happen in 2 seconds. I hear you and appreciate the detailed description, the best one I’ve read yet. But within it are hints that you are trusting the system more than the terms of service permit. You feel comfortable looking away a full 400% more than you would under manual control. There is not supposed to be any delta. And for many people, it’s probably more than 2 seconds. Many of these accidents including the recent fatal one happened inside of a few seconds of distraction.

Too 8y ago

It moves your mind from micro to macro. Instead of focusing on balancing the car within the lane I can look 500m in front and plan further ahead. I can also spend 2 seconds with eyes off road adjusting the navigation compared to without where you can only spend maybe max 0.5sec. I also feel much fresher after a long trip, constant minor adjustments sounds minor but once you've driven with a good lane keeping aid(not the ping-pong versions) it feels so much more comfortable when the steering wheel is magnetically trying to snap to the center of the lane. It still feels like you are driving but the path of least resistance is always pulling you towards the center of the lane. This would still be considered level 2 self driving, the danger comes when you go to level 3 and really take your mind off the road, those I think should never be allowed on the road.

userbinator 8y ago
It still feels like you are driving but the path of least resistance is always pulling you towards the center of the lane. ...except when it doesn't, and you're forced to suddenly comprehend the unusual situation and react before its too late: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QCF8tVqM3I
- _Tev 8y ago
  That was not 2s but 4s and you could predict that happening even before that. Does not seem like especially dangerous situation when you approach autopilot as GP does.
  - abalone 8y ago
    Totally disagree. Someone was literally killed there. Realistically “2 seconds” could be understating the length of the distraction, plus it takes you a certain amount of time to mentally re-engage and understand what is going on. Especially in a weird situation like that.
abalone 8y ago
A lot can happen in 2 seconds. I hear you and appreciate the detailed description, the best one I’ve read yet. But within it are hints that you are trusting the system more than the terms of service permit. You feel comfortable looking away a full 400% more than you would under manual control. There is not supposed to be any delta. And for many people, it’s probably more than 2 seconds. Many of these accidents including the recent fatal one happened inside of a few seconds of distraction.