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Neveragain.tech

14 points by laurex 8y ago

m52go 8y ago
> We are choosing to stand in solidarity with Muslim Americans, immigrants, and all people whose lives and livelihoods are threatened by the incoming administration’s proposed data collection policies. We refuse to build a database of people based on their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. This list is impressively long, but what are these proposed data collection policies that are so ominous? EDIT: obviously lots of data collection policies are ominous, but I'm trying to understand how the Trump administration is related to this (and how immigrants are especially affected).
- mc32 8y ago
  Good question. The list of people who were targeted before were peoples who existed before any electronic computing existed. Beside, while this effort may retard some data collection, the data exists in distributed form in addition to voluntarily given by most mobile users --and it only addresses misuse of data in the US --which is a fraction of the world population. India, China, Saudi, Russia already collect more information and do fewer nice things with the data and cover many more people --tho I suspect any effort there will die on the vine. Beside, if you ignore ethnic data, ala France, then you don't have a good gauge on how people are doing beside a theoretical "average" person.
duxup 8y ago
I assume this is purely related to this administration as they note in the first paragraph and only if the intent is to do bad things with that data? Because when I read the first bullet point, that's also the kinda data you'd gather if you were to even do something like positive outreach or assistance programs or something...
axaxs 8y ago
Yeah. Well I see FB and Google names there. You be the first to remove religious, political, and racial data you've collected. Thought so.
finnthehuman 8y ago
Something bugs me about this, and it's hard to put my finger on. I'd say it feels roughly like an "isolated demand for rigor." So the election of Trump woke some people up to a negative application of their surveillance systems and data in the context of the government targeting Muslims. But they are so unable to see the bigger picture that people unironically sign this pledge with Google next to their name?
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mindcrash 8y ago
> We have educated ourselves on the history of threats like > these, and on the roles that technology and technologists > played in carrying them out. Ok. Let's see how that went. > We see how IBM collaborated to digitize and streamline the > Holocaust Because IBM's founder, Tom Watson, was a known anti-semite and admired everything about Hitler and Nazi Germany until Hitler invaded Poland. As mentioned in http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ > We recall the internment of Japanese Americans during the > Second World War This was because the United States and Japan were at war, and the government felt like they could no longer trust Japanese Americans. Which is kind of logical when one is at war with someones home country. > We recognize that mass deportations precipitated the very > atrocity the word genocide was created to describe: the > murder of 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey The Armenians were Christian and were slaughtered by Ottoman Muslims, because of the simple fact that Muslims hate Christians (and Jews). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide > We acknowledge that genocides are not merely a relic of > the distant past—among others, Tutsi Rwandans And Tutsi Rwandans had no problem killing Hutu Rwandans because the tribes really didn't like one another. This was a tribal war. > and Bosnian Muslims have been victims in our lifetimes. Ugly things happen in civil war. Do you know how many Americans killed other Americans in the American Civil War? Probably tens of thousands. As a final note: let's not forget about the biggest genocide in history which is and was because of not having the correct political ideology within countries like the Soviet Union, Cambodia, East Germany, China, Romania, Vietnam, Korea and is still going on until this day. Total body count: 500 million+ and counting. Or in other words: please stop blaming right wing ideology for everything which is horrible in the world. Human nature in general is responsible for that.

14 points by laurex 8y ago

> We are choosing to stand in solidarity with Muslim Americans, immigrants, and all people whose lives and livelihoods are threatened by the incoming administration’s proposed data collection policies. We refuse to build a database of people based on their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. This list is impressively long, but what are these proposed data collection policies that are so ominous? EDIT: obviously lots of data collection policies are ominous, but I'm trying to understand how the Trump administration is related to this (and how immigrants are especially affected).

mc32 8y ago
Good question. The list of people who were targeted before were peoples who existed before any electronic computing existed. Beside, while this effort may retard some data collection, the data exists in distributed form in addition to voluntarily given by most mobile users --and it only addresses misuse of data in the US --which is a fraction of the world population. India, China, Saudi, Russia already collect more information and do fewer nice things with the data and cover many more people --tho I suspect any effort there will die on the vine. Beside, if you ignore ethnic data, ala France, then you don't have a good gauge on how people are doing beside a theoretical "average" person.

duxup 8y ago

I assume this is purely related to this administration as they note in the first paragraph and only if the intent is to do bad things with that data? Because when I read the first bullet point, that's also the kinda data you'd gather if you were to even do something like positive outreach or assistance programs or something...

axaxs 8y ago

Yeah. Well I see FB and Google names there. You be the first to remove religious, political, and racial data you've collected. Thought so.

finnthehuman 8y ago

Something bugs me about this, and it's hard to put my finger on. I'd say it feels roughly like an "isolated demand for rigor." So the election of Trump woke some people up to a negative application of their surveillance systems and data in the context of the government targeting Muslims. But they are so unable to see the bigger picture that people unironically sign this pledge with Google next to their name?

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mindcrash 8y ago

> We have educated ourselves on the history of threats like > these, and on the roles that technology and technologists > played in carrying them out. Ok. Let's see how that went. > We see how IBM collaborated to digitize and streamline the > Holocaust Because IBM's founder, Tom Watson, was a known anti-semite and admired everything about Hitler and Nazi Germany until Hitler invaded Poland. As mentioned in http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ > We recall the internment of Japanese Americans during the > Second World War This was because the United States and Japan were at war, and the government felt like they could no longer trust Japanese Americans. Which is kind of logical when one is at war with someones home country. > We recognize that mass deportations precipitated the very > atrocity the word genocide was created to describe: the > murder of 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey The Armenians were Christian and were slaughtered by Ottoman Muslims, because of the simple fact that Muslims hate Christians (and Jews). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide > We acknowledge that genocides are not merely a relic of > the distant past—among others, Tutsi Rwandans And Tutsi Rwandans had no problem killing Hutu Rwandans because the tribes really didn't like one another. This was a tribal war. > and Bosnian Muslims have been victims in our lifetimes. Ugly things happen in civil war. Do you know how many Americans killed other Americans in the American Civil War? Probably tens of thousands. As a final note: let's not forget about the biggest genocide in history which is and was because of not having the correct political ideology within countries like the Soviet Union, Cambodia, East Germany, China, Romania, Vietnam, Korea and is still going on until this day. Total body count: 500 million+ and counting. Or in other words: please stop blaming right wing ideology for everything which is horrible in the world. Human nature in general is responsible for that.