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"Move fast and break things" is probably the worst philosophy to sweep over SV. It encourages a worldview where externalities that potentially break laws and m

"Move fast and break things" is probably the worst philosophy to sweep over SV. It encourages a worldview where externalities that potentially break laws and maim or kill other people should be disregarded in the pursuit of "progress" and profits. But it's nice to see the HN community finally start to come to this realization

joejerryronnie 8y ago
"Move fast and break things" was never meant for actual real world physical things (or laws). It was a mantra that encouraged breaking sacred cows and assumptions but has been bastardized and vilified by the anti-big tech crowd. Obviously you can be a little more lax on your production quality if you're building inane web apps rather than rocket ships or medical devices.
- wooter 8y ago
  not to mention that autopilot has demonstrably reduced the crash rate by 40% so it really is just vilification from a desire for retribution without consideration of actual impact
  - tptacek 8y ago
    No, it hasn't (see upthread, where you repeated this claim).
  - simion314 8y ago
    False, read again the facts and stop spreading wrong conclusions or facts, btw the study you are thinking off is not open so it was not verified, I think there is an action in justice to open the data.
Natsu 8y ago
"Move fast and break things" was Facebook's idea, not Tesla's.
- dralley 8y ago
  It's Facebook's motto, but the mindset is far more widespread.
  - Natsu 8y ago
    I've only seen others apply that to Tesla, I've never seen them apply it to themselves.
true_religion 8y ago
That.... was just Facebook's idea. I don't know any other company apart from those founded by former Facebook employees that took the monicker seriously. A more mainstream paradigm was 'disrupt!' as in disrupt old industries, by applying the rules in ways that they couldn't aided by technology that they are disinclined to use. For instance Uber used 'disrupt!' as the centerpiece of their business, by acting as contracting service for limo companies, before finally expanding the definition of 'limo' to include any Toyota made after 2015.
- shaklee3 8y ago
  There are a lot of companies who try to be like Facebook and copy everything about them. Look at how do you open work spaces are becoming popular.
- siruncledrew 8y ago
  Facebook may have invented the slogan, but others still took the concept and ran with it. There's various incubators in SV that repeat that same mantra to startups because they heard it from one of the big boys (Facebook) or read about it in some VC Medium post. I'm not pointing fingers, but just saying that even in such innovative places people will still blindly follow those paradigms like it's conditioning.
ggg9990 8y ago
It started at Facebook and made sense for Facebook since nobody’s life is ruined if they can’t use Facebook for 5 minutes. It’s not appropriate for Tesla or even Google.

joejerryronnie 8y ago

"Move fast and break things" was never meant for actual real world physical things (or laws). It was a mantra that encouraged breaking sacred cows and assumptions but has been bastardized and vilified by the anti-big tech crowd. Obviously you can be a little more lax on your production quality if you're building inane web apps rather than rocket ships or medical devices.

wooter 8y ago
not to mention that autopilot has demonstrably reduced the crash rate by 40% so it really is just vilification from a desire for retribution without consideration of actual impact
- tptacek 8y ago
  No, it hasn't (see upthread, where you repeated this claim).
- simion314 8y ago
  False, read again the facts and stop spreading wrong conclusions or facts, btw the study you are thinking off is not open so it was not verified, I think there is an action in justice to open the data.

Natsu 8y ago

"Move fast and break things" was Facebook's idea, not Tesla's.

dralley 8y ago
It's Facebook's motto, but the mindset is far more widespread.
- Natsu 8y ago
  I've only seen others apply that to Tesla, I've never seen them apply it to themselves.

true_religion 8y ago

That.... was just Facebook's idea. I don't know any other company apart from those founded by former Facebook employees that took the monicker seriously. A more mainstream paradigm was 'disrupt!' as in disrupt old industries, by applying the rules in ways that they couldn't aided by technology that they are disinclined to use. For instance Uber used 'disrupt!' as the centerpiece of their business, by acting as contracting service for limo companies, before finally expanding the definition of 'limo' to include any Toyota made after 2015.

shaklee3 8y ago
There are a lot of companies who try to be like Facebook and copy everything about them. Look at how do you open work spaces are becoming popular.
siruncledrew 8y ago
Facebook may have invented the slogan, but others still took the concept and ran with it. There's various incubators in SV that repeat that same mantra to startups because they heard it from one of the big boys (Facebook) or read about it in some VC Medium post. I'm not pointing fingers, but just saying that even in such innovative places people will still blindly follow those paradigms like it's conditioning.

ggg9990 8y ago

It started at Facebook and made sense for Facebook since nobody’s life is ruined if they can’t use Facebook for 5 minutes. It’s not appropriate for Tesla or even Google.