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Controlling your population to the point that they cannot choose what to do with their own work is shady I don't follow EU politics that much, but the news sto

by totony 8y ago

Controlling your population to the point that they cannot choose what to do with their own work is shady I don't follow EU politics that much, but the news stories I do see these days paint a grim portrait of it. You cannot waive your "right to privacy" (GDPR), nor can you freely distribute your work. Treat your people like sheeps and they will become sheeps

candiodari 8y ago
But I don't get the point here. The EU people have rejected the EU, yet again, just a few days ago. And once, again, the EU says "bad voters ! BAD ! try AGAIN" (note that the previous election was already an accelerated election. So this is not just rejecting the bad outcome of an election. They did that, STILL got an outcome they didn't like and rejected the redo-election". http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/italian-president-mattarella-the-man-who-wouldn-t-yield-a-1209982.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/italian-president...
- tinus_hn 8y ago
  Those darn ‘EU people’ (whomever that may be), holding elections at will, until people elect what they want. It’s a bit like the typical anti Apple fanfare, nobody’s buying the devices because Apple can’t keep up with demand!
  - candiodari 8y ago
    What I meant specifically is that Italy elected a government that promised - and wanted to implement - a currency parallel to the Euro, and then the Italian president exploited a loophole (effectively claiming there was no agreement between the parties that made up the government) to avoid putting this government in power. He made it no secret that this is exactly why he did that. So Italians wanted a parallel non-EU-controlled currency in Italy and elected a government to do that, and this was denied, by a pro-EU politician. This was already a do-over election of sorts so that makes it even more of a farce. Several BIG costs have to be carried by the Italians as a result. First, the actual monetary cost already paid: 1.5% on 6.5 billion euros, or about 100 million euros, effectively charged to them by the ECB. This will keep growing. Second is the fact that there is no government in charge, and the legitimacy of the "experts" (picked -surprise !- by pro-EU parties) that will be in charge until the next election (July or September) is heavily in question, and that government's only loyalty is to the Italian president who got kicked out by the electorate. Of course, several EU commissioners have called out for punishment of Italy for these election results, and although Oettinger has now apologized, it shows you just what kind of people they are. All of that, just to protect the EU. Again.
tinus_hn 8y ago
Do not attribute to malice that what is adequately explained by stupidity.

by totony 8y ago

candiodari 8y ago

But I don't get the point here. The EU people have rejected the EU, yet again, just a few days ago. And once, again, the EU says "bad voters ! BAD ! try AGAIN" (note that the previous election was already an accelerated election. So this is not just rejecting the bad outcome of an election. They did that, STILL got an outcome they didn't like and rejected the redo-election". http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/italian-president-mattarella-the-man-who-wouldn-t-yield-a-1209982.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/italian-president...

tinus_hn 8y ago
Those darn ‘EU people’ (whomever that may be), holding elections at will, until people elect what they want. It’s a bit like the typical anti Apple fanfare, nobody’s buying the devices because Apple can’t keep up with demand!
- candiodari 8y ago
  What I meant specifically is that Italy elected a government that promised - and wanted to implement - a currency parallel to the Euro, and then the Italian president exploited a loophole (effectively claiming there was no agreement between the parties that made up the government) to avoid putting this government in power. He made it no secret that this is exactly why he did that. So Italians wanted a parallel non-EU-controlled currency in Italy and elected a government to do that, and this was denied, by a pro-EU politician. This was already a do-over election of sorts so that makes it even more of a farce. Several BIG costs have to be carried by the Italians as a result. First, the actual monetary cost already paid: 1.5% on 6.5 billion euros, or about 100 million euros, effectively charged to them by the ECB. This will keep growing. Second is the fact that there is no government in charge, and the legitimacy of the "experts" (picked -surprise !- by pro-EU parties) that will be in charge until the next election (July or September) is heavily in question, and that government's only loyalty is to the Italian president who got kicked out by the electorate. Of course, several EU commissioners have called out for punishment of Italy for these election results, and although Oettinger has now apologized, it shows you just what kind of people they are. All of that, just to protect the EU. Again.

tinus_hn 8y ago

Do not attribute to malice that what is adequately explained by stupidity.