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To an outsider this may sound like there is some sort of process that resulted in this solution, there actually isn't any. The committee is nothing more than a

To an outsider this may sound like there is some sort of process that resulted in this solution, there actually isn't any. The committee is nothing more than a simple bureaucracy to the point that it is almost a joke how Russ makes a proposal, community is against it, then it gets accepted by the Committee. It is all just a funny joke.

jimmy1 8y ago
> To an outsider > Russ > throwaway Something tells me you aren't really an outsider. Anyways, > community is against it, then it gets accepted by the Committee Is this your primary gripe? Because this has happened pretty consistently in the history of almost all open source languages. Think of how many JSRs were hotly contested, only to be accepted. Open source does not mean democratic development, and thankfully so because you might have ended up with this https://i.redd.it/7t1p88ct13ez.jpg https://i.redd.it/7t1p88ct13ez.jpg
- dikaiosune 8y ago
  FWIW, I read "To an outsider..." to mean "if you are reading this on HN and aren't involved in the community, this might seem like" as opposed to "I am pretending to be an outsider, let me tell you what about my perspective."
Spiritus 8y ago
Who says the community is against it? I happen to like it.
- kaeshiwaza 8y ago
  Looking at the thumbs up and the comments, the community seems very favorable at vgo. https://github.com/golang/go/issues/24301 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/24301 edit: and everybody was not agree at the time of Dep launch as it was not simple as Go use to be.
eknkc 8y ago
Community is not against it as far as I can see. A minority of vocal people are. There are a lot of people who liked the idea (including me) and those do not write 30 page blog posts because there is no need.
- sagichmal 8y ago
  The “vocal minority” of the community against vgo as it stands today are also mostly the package management domain experts, who have put in the sweat equity.
  - kaeshiwaza 8y ago
    Parts of the "vocal minority" was also emotional, that doesn't help to focus on the technical args.

jimmy1 8y ago

> To an outsider > Russ > throwaway Something tells me you aren't really an outsider. Anyways, > community is against it, then it gets accepted by the Committee Is this your primary gripe? Because this has happened pretty consistently in the history of almost all open source languages. Think of how many JSRs were hotly contested, only to be accepted. Open source does not mean democratic development, and thankfully so because you might have ended up with this https://i.redd.it/7t1p88ct13ez.jpg https://i.redd.it/7t1p88ct13ez.jpg

dikaiosune 8y ago
FWIW, I read "To an outsider..." to mean "if you are reading this on HN and aren't involved in the community, this might seem like" as opposed to "I am pretending to be an outsider, let me tell you what about my perspective."

Spiritus 8y ago

Who says the community is against it? I happen to like it.

kaeshiwaza 8y ago
Looking at the thumbs up and the comments, the community seems very favorable at vgo. https://github.com/golang/go/issues/24301 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/24301 edit: and everybody was not agree at the time of Dep launch as it was not simple as Go use to be.

eknkc 8y ago

Community is not against it as far as I can see. A minority of vocal people are. There are a lot of people who liked the idea (including me) and those do not write 30 page blog posts because there is no need.

sagichmal 8y ago
The “vocal minority” of the community against vgo as it stands today are also mostly the package management domain experts, who have put in the sweat equity.
- kaeshiwaza 8y ago
  Parts of the "vocal minority" was also emotional, that doesn't help to focus on the technical args.