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How can you claim to understand them when you're posting their oppositions propaganda instead of their own arguments? That's like starting a conversation by ref

How can you claim to understand them when you're posting their oppositions propaganda instead of their own arguments? That's like starting a conversation by referring to a pro-choicer as a pro-death... even if you have great arguments against the choice of abortion it's not going to lead to a productive conversation. As a sibling poster to you said, the ridiculous pricing is part of a game between insurers and care providers. Throwing more money at insurers might not be the ideal answer.

mnm1 8y ago
Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution. We've been doing that for decades. Other countries have already figured out how to provide healthcare for their citizens. America can too if people stop opposing it. Instead, we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare. That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion. Also, your first paragraph in unintelligible to me.
- hackerman12345 8y ago
  Do you realize that Obamacare is based on throwing more money at insurers - and furthermore wanted to legally require that every American throw a share of money at a for-profit insurer? Is everyone against that really a "person that hates others so much"?
  - mnm1 8y ago
    No, I'm talking about healthcare in general not Obamacare and yes, people that oppose healthcare for others do indeed seem to hate others so much that they'd rather them die than have healthcare. I do think that hate comes because of a love for profits and making money off of others who are considered less human. That's basically been the entirety of American history--profiting off the misery, suffering, and oppression of others. You can defend such actions however you want, but it won't ever make them morally defensible.
- jexah 8y ago
  > Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution > we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare Last I checked nobody was opposing healthcare discussion and debate, so the "opposing" you're talking about appears to be in reference to Obamacare. Obamacare allowing healthcare providers and insurance companies to game the system more than ever before, by providing the backing of government coffers. One either throws money at something that "obviously won't solve the problem"[0] or one "hates people to the degree that one does not want people to have healthcare"[0]. > That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion What was that you were saying about inexcusable viewpoints? [0] Paraphrased, but sentiment remains the same.
  - mnm1 8y ago
    In a proper healthcare system, for-profit insurance companies are not an essential part of the system. No one here is talking about Obamacare, btw.
    - jexah 8y ago
      I've yet to see a "proper healthcare system" that doesn't require private insurance. Take Australia for instance, where the healthcare system seems to work pretty well, but only because private insurance options are available. Without private insurance, the public system that is already slow would basically come to a stop, and those that can comfortably afford regular payments for private insurance (most people) that all of a sudden get sick and have to pony up 100k, couldn't do so. Those who don't get sick would be living the dream. I drew the Obamacare conclusion from the reason in my above response. Nobody is adverse to discussing healthcare solutions, so what are you talking about when you say there is a movement of hate to the degree such that people are actively rejecting the idea of others having access to healthcare?
      - mnm1 8y ago
        Every single healthcare bill proposed in Congress last year that was voted on was a bill to remove healthcare options from people. There wasn't a single bill proposing a government controlled healthcare system that would end the insane mess of profiting off other people's misery and death. There was even disagreement on extending healthcare funding for children through CHIP. Even the measly Medicaid expansion was fought against a few years back. I can only conclude that the people who elect these politicians are so hateful, they'd rather children and others die than spend money on their healthcare. That's some incredible fucking hate.

mnm1 8y ago

Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution. We've been doing that for decades. Other countries have already figured out how to provide healthcare for their citizens. America can too if people stop opposing it. Instead, we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare. That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion. Also, your first paragraph in unintelligible to me.

hackerman12345 8y ago
Do you realize that Obamacare is based on throwing more money at insurers - and furthermore wanted to legally require that every American throw a share of money at a for-profit insurer? Is everyone against that really a "person that hates others so much"?
- mnm1 8y ago
  No, I'm talking about healthcare in general not Obamacare and yes, people that oppose healthcare for others do indeed seem to hate others so much that they'd rather them die than have healthcare. I do think that hate comes because of a love for profits and making money off of others who are considered less human. That's basically been the entirety of American history--profiting off the misery, suffering, and oppression of others. You can defend such actions however you want, but it won't ever make them morally defensible.
jexah 8y ago
> Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution > we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare Last I checked nobody was opposing healthcare discussion and debate, so the "opposing" you're talking about appears to be in reference to Obamacare. Obamacare allowing healthcare providers and insurance companies to game the system more than ever before, by providing the backing of government coffers. One either throws money at something that "obviously won't solve the problem"[0] or one "hates people to the degree that one does not want people to have healthcare"[0]. > That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion What was that you were saying about inexcusable viewpoints? [0] Paraphrased, but sentiment remains the same.
- mnm1 8y ago
  In a proper healthcare system, for-profit insurance companies are not an essential part of the system. No one here is talking about Obamacare, btw.
  - jexah 8y ago
    I've yet to see a "proper healthcare system" that doesn't require private insurance. Take Australia for instance, where the healthcare system seems to work pretty well, but only because private insurance options are available. Without private insurance, the public system that is already slow would basically come to a stop, and those that can comfortably afford regular payments for private insurance (most people) that all of a sudden get sick and have to pony up 100k, couldn't do so. Those who don't get sick would be living the dream. I drew the Obamacare conclusion from the reason in my above response. Nobody is adverse to discussing healthcare solutions, so what are you talking about when you say there is a movement of hate to the degree such that people are actively rejecting the idea of others having access to healthcare?
    - mnm1 8y ago
      Every single healthcare bill proposed in Congress last year that was voted on was a bill to remove healthcare options from people. There wasn't a single bill proposing a government controlled healthcare system that would end the insane mess of profiting off other people's misery and death. There was even disagreement on extending healthcare funding for children through CHIP. Even the measly Medicaid expansion was fought against a few years back. I can only conclude that the people who elect these politicians are so hateful, they'd rather children and others die than spend money on their healthcare. That's some incredible fucking hate.