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What's scary is the fact that you can be prevented from recognizing this as delusional because people have decided the delusion needs to be protected from "hate

What's scary is the fact that you can be prevented from recognizing this as delusional because people have decided the delusion needs to be protected from "hate speech". Look at the people in that issues thread saying that the the "bot" wording is not "inclusive" enough.

s_kilk 8y ago
I feel like you're fishing for attention by pussyfooting around some assertion about gender. If that's the case then just come out with it, and bring along some evidence to back yourself up, and remember that belligerence is not an argument.
jordigh 8y ago
You are not a victim, you will not be made a victim, you should not consider yourself a potential victim, and if the other thing that you are afraid to say is that being transgender is by itself a mental illness, the current medical consensus disagrees with you.
- tree_of_item 8y ago
  I never claimed to be a victim, and there is no such medical consensus. Not when people lose their jobs for speaking out.
  - lomnakkus 8y ago
    > [...] and there is no such medical consensus. Not when people lose their jobs for speaking out. At best this is an extremely tenuous inference. If you can find researchers who are actually working in the area who've lost their jobs because of the outcomes of that research, then please do provide references.
  - joyeusenoelle 8y ago
    Medical consensus has nothing to do with whether you lose your job for being a bigot.
    - tree_of_item 8y ago
      Understanding that male and female humans exist independently of anyone's "identity" doesn't make you a bigot.
      - sincerely 8y ago
        Disagreeing with scientific consensus for ideological reasons, however, might make you a bigot
  - danbolt 8y ago
    I've read and been exposed to a lot of other research with regards to consensus [1], but I'd love to see another point of view. Maybe you could post a few other sources that disagree? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality
s73v3r_ 8y ago
No, it's because it's not a delusion, and furthermore it's none of your damn business. There is precisely zero reason you need to concern yourself with how someone wishes to identify, other than to be able to address them appropriately to be polite.

s_kilk 8y ago

I feel like you're fishing for attention by pussyfooting around some assertion about gender. If that's the case then just come out with it, and bring along some evidence to back yourself up, and remember that belligerence is not an argument.

jordigh 8y ago

You are not a victim, you will not be made a victim, you should not consider yourself a potential victim, and if the other thing that you are afraid to say is that being transgender is by itself a mental illness, the current medical consensus disagrees with you.

tree_of_item 8y ago
I never claimed to be a victim, and there is no such medical consensus. Not when people lose their jobs for speaking out.
- lomnakkus 8y ago
  > [...] and there is no such medical consensus. Not when people lose their jobs for speaking out. At best this is an extremely tenuous inference. If you can find researchers who are actually working in the area who've lost their jobs because of the outcomes of that research, then please do provide references.
- joyeusenoelle 8y ago
  Medical consensus has nothing to do with whether you lose your job for being a bigot.
  - tree_of_item 8y ago
    Understanding that male and female humans exist independently of anyone's "identity" doesn't make you a bigot.
    - sincerely 8y ago
      Disagreeing with scientific consensus for ideological reasons, however, might make you a bigot
- danbolt 8y ago
  I've read and been exposed to a lot of other research with regards to consensus [1], but I'd love to see another point of view. Maybe you could post a few other sources that disagree? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

s73v3r_ 8y ago

No, it's because it's not a delusion, and furthermore it's none of your damn business. There is precisely zero reason you need to concern yourself with how someone wishes to identify, other than to be able to address them appropriately to be polite.