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I left because of these types of people. I don't want to stay on a platform where I have to be careful with my speech so I don't offend anyone and I don't want

by jhoh 8y ago

I left because of these types of people. I don't want to stay on a platform where I have to be careful with my speech so I don't offend anyone and I don't want to be banned, blocked etc. for discussing wrong ideas. Some communities there turn toxic really fast when you don't share their opinion, real discussions are often times not possible at all.

phaedryx 8y ago
Isn't the point of running your own instance that you can make your own rules? Or is it because the larger fediverse exerts itself on instances?
codewiz 8y ago
Why do you even care if someone blocks / mutes you? It's their right to do so, and you can do the same when someone annoy you. Since starting to use Mastodon 6 months ago, I had to mute exactly 1 nazi account. Muting is quick and easy, just like dealing with ordinary email spam; it wouldn't be a big deal even if I had to mute a dozen nazis every 6 months :-) Is it just possible that some people have trouble managing their own emotions when dealing with strong disagreement? I can't otherwise explain why a microscopic quantity of undesired content would make someone decide to leave.
cgag 8y ago
I never joined because it somehow seemed to appeal extra strongly to these types. I don't know why.
- sethhochberg 8y ago
  I suspect its because people who are aware that they want a "decentralized alternative to commercial social media silos" are also predisposed to having opinions which fall outside the normal social media silos. Most people don't get into the habit of reading about censorship-resistant platforms and decentralized networks, let alone joining them or running nodes, if they're living a life which most of the world would consider pretty vanilla and not at risk of being at-odds with the owner of some silo. If you feel you have controversial opinions, though... you seek these kind of tools out and have motivation to use them. Its like the Tor problem - in theory, anybody can and should use Tor for anonymous exchange of information of any kind and the desire for anonymity shouldn't be taboo. In practice, a lot of people who use Tor are doing it for specifically because they have taboo interests (up to and including the outright illegal).
  - cgag 8y ago
    That makes perfect sense to me and is my kind of thing, Mastodon seemed to be more on the pro censorship for people who identify as robots kind of thing.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
"I don't want to stay on a platform where I have to be careful with my speech so I don't offend anyone" So you don't want to think about the feelings of others? "and I don't want to be banned, blocked etc. for discussing wrong ideas." Isn't the whole point of Mastodon that different instances have the capability to block those they don't wish to interact with?
- progval 8y ago
  Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1332/ https://xkcd.com/1332/
- spc476 8y ago
  It's hard to know what is considered offensive anymore. "Nitpick" is one word. "Merry Christmas" is another. So is "Happy Holidays." Is "transracial" a thing or not? How many victim classes exist today?

by jhoh 8y ago

phaedryx 8y ago

Isn't the point of running your own instance that you can make your own rules? Or is it because the larger fediverse exerts itself on instances?

codewiz 8y ago

Why do you even care if someone blocks / mutes you? It's their right to do so, and you can do the same when someone annoy you. Since starting to use Mastodon 6 months ago, I had to mute exactly 1 nazi account. Muting is quick and easy, just like dealing with ordinary email spam; it wouldn't be a big deal even if I had to mute a dozen nazis every 6 months :-) Is it just possible that some people have trouble managing their own emotions when dealing with strong disagreement? I can't otherwise explain why a microscopic quantity of undesired content would make someone decide to leave.

cgag 8y ago

I never joined because it somehow seemed to appeal extra strongly to these types. I don't know why.

sethhochberg 8y ago
I suspect its because people who are aware that they want a "decentralized alternative to commercial social media silos" are also predisposed to having opinions which fall outside the normal social media silos. Most people don't get into the habit of reading about censorship-resistant platforms and decentralized networks, let alone joining them or running nodes, if they're living a life which most of the world would consider pretty vanilla and not at risk of being at-odds with the owner of some silo. If you feel you have controversial opinions, though... you seek these kind of tools out and have motivation to use them. Its like the Tor problem - in theory, anybody can and should use Tor for anonymous exchange of information of any kind and the desire for anonymity shouldn't be taboo. In practice, a lot of people who use Tor are doing it for specifically because they have taboo interests (up to and including the outright illegal).
- cgag 8y ago
  That makes perfect sense to me and is my kind of thing, Mastodon seemed to be more on the pro censorship for people who identify as robots kind of thing.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

"I don't want to stay on a platform where I have to be careful with my speech so I don't offend anyone" So you don't want to think about the feelings of others? "and I don't want to be banned, blocked etc. for discussing wrong ideas." Isn't the whole point of Mastodon that different instances have the capability to block those they don't wish to interact with?

progval 8y ago
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1332/ https://xkcd.com/1332/
spc476 8y ago
It's hard to know what is considered offensive anymore. "Nitpick" is one word. "Merry Christmas" is another. So is "Happy Holidays." Is "transracial" a thing or not? How many victim classes exist today?