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> might take up as much time as it would to learn a new language How so? Just build yourself a tiny tool that takes an email address or username and sends them

> might take up as much time as it would to learn a new language How so? Just build yourself a tiny tool that takes an email address or username and sends them their database entries along with the standard explanations about why you need that data. For my side projects that will be around two hours per project and then 2 minutes for every request. Or am I missing something?

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> Just build yourself a tiny tool that takes an email address or username and sends them their database entries along with the standard explanations about why you need that data You're assuming automated responses will satisfy requestors and, for the unsatisfied, be seen favorably by each of the twenty-eight national regulators, today and into perpetuity. In any case, I got curious about your 2 hours / project + 2 minutes / request metric. One can achieve "basic fluency" in a number of languages within 480 hours [1]. We thus find a trade-off hyperbola [2]. For 1 project, after 14,340 requests you could have learned a new language. For 5: 2,820 per project. For 10: 1,380. At one request per day, that's under 4 years. TL; DR, even with optimistic figures, a significant toll is extracted purely for administration. [1] https://blog.thelinguist.com/how-long-should-it-take-to-learn-a-language https://blog.thelinguist.com/how-long-should-it-take-to-lear... [2] 2 * Projects + (1 / 30) * Projects * Requests = 480
- hartator 8y ago
  I think most people pro-gdpr never had to run a website.
  - Matticus_Rex 8y ago
    TBH I suspect most of them have never run anything. I did an info session for a team of consultants, and was careful to include a lot of information on the positive intentions of the law, and every single one realized quickly that most of the costs of compliance for the vast majority of businesses had nothing to do with improving the state of privacy, and that for many business models that aren't abusing data this law is still going to be incredibly expensive. There's just a huge gap between people who viscerally understand making high-level business decisions and people who don't, and the vast majority of the writers and supporters of this law appear to be in the "don't" group.
  - sanderjd 8y ago
    I think you're missing some categories. I've run websites. I consider myself pro-GDPR-spirit. But I also believe it should have explicitly phased down its effects on small organizations. If it gets tweaked back based on the observed effects, I'll consider that a win. If it is written in stone and remains as is for long enough to dampen entrepreneurship in favor of big deep pocketed organizations, it will be a huge loss. Right now it feels more like it will be the latter, but who knows.
- ColinWright 8y ago
  > At one request per day ... There is where our expectations diverge. Do you really expect one request per day for a small side-project? Or even for a moderate start-up? I find that astonishing. I admit I only have a few thousand users, but I've had a total of three requests.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> Just build yourself a tiny tool that takes an email address or username and sends them their database entries along with the standard explanations about why you need that data You're assuming automated responses will satisfy requestors and, for the unsatisfied, be seen favorably by each of the twenty-eight national regulators, today and into perpetuity. In any case, I got curious about your 2 hours / project + 2 minutes / request metric. One can achieve "basic fluency" in a number of languages within 480 hours [1]. We thus find a trade-off hyperbola [2]. For 1 project, after 14,340 requests you could have learned a new language. For 5: 2,820 per project. For 10: 1,380. At one request per day, that's under 4 years. TL; DR, even with optimistic figures, a significant toll is extracted purely for administration. [1] https://blog.thelinguist.com/how-long-should-it-take-to-learn-a-language https://blog.thelinguist.com/how-long-should-it-take-to-lear... [2] 2 * Projects + (1 / 30) * Projects * Requests = 480

hartator 8y ago
I think most people pro-gdpr never had to run a website.
- Matticus_Rex 8y ago
  TBH I suspect most of them have never run anything. I did an info session for a team of consultants, and was careful to include a lot of information on the positive intentions of the law, and every single one realized quickly that most of the costs of compliance for the vast majority of businesses had nothing to do with improving the state of privacy, and that for many business models that aren't abusing data this law is still going to be incredibly expensive. There's just a huge gap between people who viscerally understand making high-level business decisions and people who don't, and the vast majority of the writers and supporters of this law appear to be in the "don't" group.
- sanderjd 8y ago
  I think you're missing some categories. I've run websites. I consider myself pro-GDPR-spirit. But I also believe it should have explicitly phased down its effects on small organizations. If it gets tweaked back based on the observed effects, I'll consider that a win. If it is written in stone and remains as is for long enough to dampen entrepreneurship in favor of big deep pocketed organizations, it will be a huge loss. Right now it feels more like it will be the latter, but who knows.
ColinWright 8y ago
> At one request per day ... There is where our expectations diverge. Do you really expect one request per day for a small side-project? Or even for a moderate start-up? I find that astonishing. I admit I only have a few thousand users, but I've had a total of three requests.