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> Emacs is shit pls don't say that :( there's exactly 0 ppl in the world who get paid for writing emacs. nobody is selling the editor as snake oil liniment tha

> Emacs is shit pls don't say that :( there's exactly 0 ppl in the world who get paid for writing emacs. nobody is selling the editor as snake oil liniment that ought to remove all the grievances. > No localisation what do you mean? I can read/type in emacs in all 3 human lang I know/use daily. > No tabs true although `M-x speedbar` can display the list of all open buffers in a vertical fashion > Window cannot be maximised prior to setting some obscure option I usually just press F11 > Menu items and buttons do not have underlined letters (i.e. accelerators) true > The vast majority of the options cannot be accessed through the menu true > or dialogues, instead you get a non-editable document with embedded buttons why do you care if it's not a 'native' dlg? the mouse works. C-s works. > Configuration is stored as code hehehe that's the whole point, m8! > Keys cannot be rebound from the menu. true > The list could go on and on I was hoping you'd mention the idiocy (I cannot find a more proper word) w/ buffers that have long lines. every time I open some 2MB xml file that was generated as 1 string, emacs suddenly becomes dog slow. this is what should be criticized, not the inability to rebound keys from the menu, imo.

bmn__ 8y ago
Are you involved with emacs development or just a user? > there's exactly 0 ppl in the world who get paid for writing emacs I, too, am a free software author in my spare time and not paid for it. Not being paid for a labour of love does not make one exempt from criticism. >> No localisation > what do you mean? The software's user interface and on-line documentation should be implemented in my language, but it's available only in English. > M-x speedbar That displays a hierarchical file browser in a separate window, not a list of documents. >> Configuration is stored as code > that's the whole point Occasionally the sheer power is useful because a programming language gives you the power to do things that are not possible or very hard otherwise. But for the vast majority of cases, most of the time, configuration should be stored in the moral equivalent of an INI file. That way I can process it externally. As it is now, I need to code a parser for elisp and replicate a decent chunk of the emacs runtime environment. That's just too difficult and time-consuming for anyone. Very much related: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/langsec/occupy/ http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/langsec/occupy/ Turing-completeness should be the exception, not the norm, and only used when actually needed, not for trivial cases. > long lines […] emacs suddenly becomes dog slow Many editors have that same problem, so that one doesn't bother me much.
- henry_flower 8y ago
  just a user; wrote several elisp pkgs > Not being paid for a labour of love does not make one exempt from criticism. I'm fine w/ criticism; I'm just of an opinion that the word "shit" is a bit too much; also I'm fascinated how the current emacs maintainer handles such a complex proj > The software's user interface which part? the majority of the user-visible 'interface' consists of so called interactive elisp cmds (runnable via M-x ...); the help for such cmds (or the whole modes) gets extracted from the corresponding fn comments & gets updated in real time when/if the code changes. > and on-line documentation should be implemented in my language, but it's available only in English. this is tough. the user's manual is huge. it'd probably take a year for a pro translator to produce a meaningful result the elisp manual is even bigger the tutorial is available in multiple lang, though >> M-x speedbar That displays a hierarchical file browser in a separate window, not a list of documents. click w/ the rigth btn in the speedbar win: a popup menu will appear. select speedbar->displays->buffers

bmn__ 8y ago

Are you involved with emacs development or just a user? > there's exactly 0 ppl in the world who get paid for writing emacs I, too, am a free software author in my spare time and not paid for it. Not being paid for a labour of love does not make one exempt from criticism. >> No localisation > what do you mean? The software's user interface and on-line documentation should be implemented in my language, but it's available only in English. > M-x speedbar That displays a hierarchical file browser in a separate window, not a list of documents. >> Configuration is stored as code > that's the whole point Occasionally the sheer power is useful because a programming language gives you the power to do things that are not possible or very hard otherwise. But for the vast majority of cases, most of the time, configuration should be stored in the moral equivalent of an INI file. That way I can process it externally. As it is now, I need to code a parser for elisp and replicate a decent chunk of the emacs runtime environment. That's just too difficult and time-consuming for anyone. Very much related: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/langsec/occupy/ http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/langsec/occupy/ Turing-completeness should be the exception, not the norm, and only used when actually needed, not for trivial cases. > long lines […] emacs suddenly becomes dog slow Many editors have that same problem, so that one doesn't bother me much.

henry_flower 8y ago
just a user; wrote several elisp pkgs > Not being paid for a labour of love does not make one exempt from criticism. I'm fine w/ criticism; I'm just of an opinion that the word "shit" is a bit too much; also I'm fascinated how the current emacs maintainer handles such a complex proj > The software's user interface which part? the majority of the user-visible 'interface' consists of so called interactive elisp cmds (runnable via M-x ...); the help for such cmds (or the whole modes) gets extracted from the corresponding fn comments & gets updated in real time when/if the code changes. > and on-line documentation should be implemented in my language, but it's available only in English. this is tough. the user's manual is huge. it'd probably take a year for a pro translator to produce a meaningful result the elisp manual is even bigger the tutorial is available in multiple lang, though >> M-x speedbar That displays a hierarchical file browser in a separate window, not a list of documents. click w/ the rigth btn in the speedbar win: a popup menu will appear. select speedbar->displays->buffers