Firstly, I had the same experience on at kubecon this year, most people I encountered were ops engineers or infra engineers. Maybe the application developers we

Firstly, I had the same experience on at kubecon this year, most people I encountered were ops engineers or infra engineers. Maybe the application developers were there but they were less vocal. I can also imagine the subjects being rather specific and deep for your average application developer. Secondly, aren’t solutions like Helm supposed to take away the need for scaffolding? The problem with scaffolding is staying up to date with the new templates and usually results in the deployments not being updated anymore. Additionally, I have to say that getting started with K8s was quite easy because we already had experience with Docker. OpenShift was similar and has source2build which is very convenient. So I don’t percieve K8s to be hard to start to use. To use it ‘correctly’ and use all potential, yes that is harder but that holds for any product.