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It's a neat camera, but it's really unfortunate that you can't put industry-standard cinema glass on it (eg, Master Prime, Summilux, Cooke etc). Spending all t
by l33tbro 8y ago
It's a neat camera, but it's really unfortunate that you can't put industry-standard cinema glass on it (eg, Master Prime, Summilux, Cooke etc).
Spending all that money on body and rigging, then having to use a Tokina or Sigma lens is kind of ridiculous.
- fezz 8y agoMounts are changeable to PL, Leica, PV, EF, Nikon on those Reds.
- Darthy 8y agoCorrect. Master Primes, Cookes and Leica Summilux are all PL-mount, with which the Red is completely compatible. Seeing such a bullshit attack as the top comment is really unfortunate.
- l33tbro 8y agoNo. This is a full-frame 35 mm sensor. Few of the industry-standard super-35 lenses fit without vignetting at 8k.
- totalZero 8y agoWhat makes Tokina and Sigma lenses worse? Serious question.
- l33tbro 8y agoThey don't stay consistently sharp at all apertures. They introduce chromatic abberation at different T stops. The out-of-focus area is less pleasant. I could go on ... Master primes aren't right for every job, but they're the closest we have to an optically flawless lens in filmmaking.
- sjwright 8y agoPlease go on. This alternate universe you've constructed in your brain where you're a lens expert is sincerely fascinating.
- l33tbro 8y agoYou'd be far less cringey if you could back up your wild hand-waving with actual points or arguments. I actually own lenses by both of these manufacturers. I have Sigma's GL optics cine glass. I have some vintage Tokina glass that Angenieux made, which is considered their best lens (though it's not modern). They're fine lenses, but only a goofball would think about comparing them to a $20k lens.
- sjwright 8y agoI think it's hilarious that you assume they chose the Tokina lens because they "had to" and not because it might be the best technical choice for this project. You're a brand snob.
- l33tbro 8y agoYou would choose Tokina glass over high-end Arri or Zeiss for aerals if both were available in the Red FF35 format? Please walk me through your decision-making here.
- sjwright 8y agoI'd choose the glass which best fits the purpose; brand is irrelevant. There are dozens of characteristics of glass which can be critical or irrelevant; it depends on the application. The choice of glass like Arri or Zeiss is often made to achieve a certain aesthetic which is desirable in creative film-making. In this case, the only thing that matters is a specific subset of technical requirements, particularly due to their stitching workflow. I can only guess at their decision-making process but it clearly wasn't "hey let's get the cheap stuff". I suspect they considered properties like: — Corner sharpness — Distortions — Fringing — Spherical, lateral and axial aberrations — Chromatic aberrations — Flare — Coma — Haze / local contrast — Vignetting — Aperture blade configuration — Diffraction — Mechanical stability — Focus rigidity in the face of extreme g-forces — Copy-to-copy consistency That said, I suppose it's possible that the people who actually pulled off this incredible feat, and produced the objectively stunning output shown in the article, know less about what they're doing than l33tbro on Hacker News. (By the way, did you know that for astrophotography, some of the best glass is made by Samyang, Tokina and Sigma? These brands make exceptional glass, even if their marketing department isn't as well staffed as Zeiss.)
- l33tbro 8y ago> That said, I suppose it's possible that the people who actually pulled off ... know less about what they're doing than l33tbro on Hacker News. Well, I guess it makes sense that you'd be interested in lenses, as you obviously project onto people a lot in your life. IE, not once did I say the lens choice was incorrect. I simply lamented the fact that to shoot in 8k Full Frame you're limited to handful of what are widely considered to be sub-optimal cinema (no, not astrophotography) lens manufacturers.
- toomanybeersies 8y agoI am certain that they could put "industry-standard" cine glass on them, given that the the cameras are PL mount, which is the industry standard. Sigma and Tokina make world class glass these days. No longer is Sigma the "budget option", but a genuine alternative to the first-line lens manufactures.