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I am not compliant with Chinese, British or German anti-free speech laws either. Why should anyone feel threatened by a foreign government's internal laws? The

I am not compliant with Chinese, British or German anti-free speech laws either. Why should anyone feel threatened by a foreign government's internal laws? The US is a sovereign nation (as are almost all others) and EU laws do not apply here.

messe 8y ago
They certainly apply if you wish to do business in the EU.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  Isn't that the crux of the matter? The GDPR _explicitly_ states that it's irrelevant if you want to do business there or not. It claims global authority over all nations and businesses that interact with it's "citizens", NOT "do business in the EU". This is an unprecedented legal overreach. Just because we want the hammer brought down on the FB/Google beast, doesn't mean we should chop off our own hands to accomplish it.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union, regardless of whether the processing takes place in the Union or not. This one doesn't apply, because the controller or processor is outside the union. > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: > the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union; or This one does apply, and look, it mentions services, but also... > the monitoring of their behaviour as far as their behaviour takes place within the Union. ...this applies too. You're monitoring the behaviour of EU citizens; those people have protections.
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      Let's compare this idea. I should be able to sell verboten art in Germany because I am an American citizen, and it's legal to do so here (but not there), so I "have protections" by my laws in the US? Or am I misunderstanding how you are justifying the GDPR?
      - candiodari 8y ago
        And Germany is free to stop that merchandise at the border, and then burns it. They only very, very rarely do so, but when they do, they will go after the customer that bought it. Same thing when it became clear 2 years ago that sending large amounts of opiates through the mail into Germany is not actually a problem. So theoretically, you are allowed to sell that art, because those laws don't apply to you. In theory it should be stopped at the border, and your customer may get arrested for buying it. In practice, you are allowed to sell that art, and nothing is stopping you. Needless to say, Germany is crying foul ! We make rules, and don't enforce them, and others don't automatically enforce them for us ! Evil capitalist data-selling election-stealing swine !
        RobertRoberts 8y ago
        So if American laws (free speech) don't protect Americans in Germany, why should German laws (GDPR) protect Germans in the US? (note, I fully support the spirit of this law, and am happy they are shutting down the data cartels abuses)

messe 8y ago

They certainly apply if you wish to do business in the EU.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
Isn't that the crux of the matter? The GDPR _explicitly_ states that it's irrelevant if you want to do business there or not. It claims global authority over all nations and businesses that interact with it's "citizens", NOT "do business in the EU". This is an unprecedented legal overreach. Just because we want the hammer brought down on the FB/Google beast, doesn't mean we should chop off our own hands to accomplish it.
- DanBC 8y ago
  > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union, regardless of whether the processing takes place in the Union or not. This one doesn't apply, because the controller or processor is outside the union. > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union, where the processing activities are related to: > the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union; or This one does apply, and look, it mentions services, but also... > the monitoring of their behaviour as far as their behaviour takes place within the Union. ...this applies too. You're monitoring the behaviour of EU citizens; those people have protections.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    Let's compare this idea. I should be able to sell verboten art in Germany because I am an American citizen, and it's legal to do so here (but not there), so I "have protections" by my laws in the US? Or am I misunderstanding how you are justifying the GDPR?
    - candiodari 8y ago
      And Germany is free to stop that merchandise at the border, and then burns it. They only very, very rarely do so, but when they do, they will go after the customer that bought it. Same thing when it became clear 2 years ago that sending large amounts of opiates through the mail into Germany is not actually a problem. So theoretically, you are allowed to sell that art, because those laws don't apply to you. In theory it should be stopped at the border, and your customer may get arrested for buying it. In practice, you are allowed to sell that art, and nothing is stopping you. Needless to say, Germany is crying foul ! We make rules, and don't enforce them, and others don't automatically enforce them for us ! Evil capitalist data-selling election-stealing swine !
      - RobertRoberts 8y ago
        So if American laws (free speech) don't protect Americans in Germany, why should German laws (GDPR) protect Germans in the US? (note, I fully support the spirit of this law, and am happy they are shutting down the data cartels abuses)