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This is definitely a major problem in large corporations with HR rules baked into the fabric of the thing over decades. Many positions get assigned a grade bas

This is definitely a major problem in large corporations with HR rules baked into the fabric of the thing over decades. Many positions get assigned a grade based upon the nature of the work. A series of qualifiers fix that kind of position to a grade. You can earn anything inside of that grade, but not distinctly above it. Considering yearly cost of living increases are usually fixed at about 2%, it can take one some many years before they even approach the cap. And then there is the yearly culling of the herd with no standard qualifier. Somebody wants more money? You find a better job. One of my favourite [read that with sarcasm] lines I'd heard in a yearly review was, "your salary here is like running a marathon..."

gaius 8y ago
The most laughable thing is when HR benchmark salaries and offer the average, but still expect above-average quality to walk in the door. Get rid of all them save the payroll clerks and any company will be better off and better to work for.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > The most laughable thing is when HR benchmark salaries and offer the average, but still expect above-average quality to walk in the door. They don't expect it. They put up an offer and from the pool of candidates they pick the ones they prefer. Everyone wants to maximize the return they get from their offering. The same goes for job seekers, who seek the cushiest job they can get.
- Tenhundfeld 8y ago
  I'm sure it's different in different places, but that's not my experience with HR, not at all. In my experience working closely with folks in HR, they are hamstrung by management. To put it another way, they typically know when they're recruiting for a position where the compensation and job expectations don't align, and they hate it. They hate wasting their time, your time, etc. They argue against it, but at the end of the day, they're not setting the salary benchmarks/pay bands. Those are set by some Director/VP and dictated to HR.
ryandrake 8y ago
I remember a surreal conversation with my manager from a previous company. Despite my great job performance, I could not get a raise, because I was at the top of the range and "the book said" I couldn't make any more. This was shortly before I left.

gaius 8y ago

The most laughable thing is when HR benchmark salaries and offer the average, but still expect above-average quality to walk in the door. Get rid of all them save the payroll clerks and any company will be better off and better to work for.

geezerjay 8y ago
> The most laughable thing is when HR benchmark salaries and offer the average, but still expect above-average quality to walk in the door. They don't expect it. They put up an offer and from the pool of candidates they pick the ones they prefer. Everyone wants to maximize the return they get from their offering. The same goes for job seekers, who seek the cushiest job they can get.
Tenhundfeld 8y ago
I'm sure it's different in different places, but that's not my experience with HR, not at all. In my experience working closely with folks in HR, they are hamstrung by management. To put it another way, they typically know when they're recruiting for a position where the compensation and job expectations don't align, and they hate it. They hate wasting their time, your time, etc. They argue against it, but at the end of the day, they're not setting the salary benchmarks/pay bands. Those are set by some Director/VP and dictated to HR.

ryandrake 8y ago

I remember a surreal conversation with my manager from a previous company. Despite my great job performance, I could not get a raise, because I was at the top of the range and "the book said" I couldn't make any more. This was shortly before I left.