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I've thought a lot about this recently so I'll share my 2c First some semantics; I use decentralization as a term that applies to both distributed and federate
by openfuture 8y ago
I've thought a lot about this recently so I'll share my 2c
First some semantics; I use decentralization as a term that applies to both distributed and federated systems. That way the aggregate term 'decentralization' contrasts centralisation properly.
Centralized systems usually work quite well until they reach a certain scale. At what scale centralized systems start breaking down is an interesting question that depends on some variables like the underlying information technology and the cultural assumptions of actors.
Federation is a pretty simple way of solving this problem if you can somehow figure out when and how to split up the centralized system and an interface for the various central nodes to communicate.
Distribution is like anarchism, a laudable goal, but each participant must be capable of independence which may be unrealistically optimistic. Having hierarchies as actors in a network seems more realistic if we can just figure out a way to keep those hierarchies bounded.
For example I think the world would be a better place if we had put into place laws early on in capitalism that would limit how many employees a company could have to some smallish amount like 25 - 100, that way the emphasis would have been on the cooperation of small hierarchies ( = individuals in our current system). Many large companies look like this internally but the teams are not autonomous to the extent of being allowed to move across company borders.
A couple of other observations with the max employee idea: nepotism wouldn't happen (wasting a whole slot in the company on someone useless would breed resentment) and tribes would form (loyalty to your tribe and learning to work together would be paramount).
What I'm leading up to here is that ideally the issue of federation vs distribution would be handled culturally. We could have a network like maidsafe or some ethereum based idea to reach distribution automagically but I tend to think something like a activitypub based social network with lots of different social interfaces (tinder, couchsurfing, instagram, language exchange, facebook groups for different interests, microblogging - only one already implemented, second hand shopping/selling and others) then you'd subscribe to a server that'd fit your niche and someone would be able to make a job out of serving a certain community. Basically letting people decide where they outsource their server needs to instead of trying to make the jump to personal servers in one go (a la urbit). Over generations server hosting would become a family thing probably? It seems natural, we'd essentially be back to square one where your family is your social bedrock.
I'm just flow-of-consciousnessing here so a massive grain of salt please but the overarching point is that distribution vs federation is more political than technical in my opinion.
- gozrik 8y agoNot much to add, but wanted to say you've given me a lot to think about — thanks.
- dnomad 8y ago> For example I think the world would be a better place if we had put into place laws early on in capitalism that would limit how many employees a company could have to some smallish amount like 25 - 100 Most likely you'd see a very stagnant economy suffering from very high transaction costs. The interesting thing is what happens when transaction costs are reduced via regulation. Most jobs are strangely (probably deliberately) bespoke -- they're not defined by clear protocols with well-defined responsibilities and metrics. But if you can get impose efficient regulations than you will get, I suggest, lots of small businesses and freelancers looking to optimize value under efficient regulations. The interesting thing about Uber and AirBNB is not that they are ignore regulations but that they are increasing regulatory efficiency. Slowly but surely leading to two very important industries, transportation and lodging, are being decentralized via efficient regulations that invite all sorts of competition.
- NetOpWibby 8y agoDamn, username checks out. I enjoyed reading your thoughts, thanks.