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Well, I’m a founder... French paperwork is incredibly stupid (beyond any necessary explanation), and, for no employee, I pay my accountant 2800€ to handle said

by tajen 8y ago

Well, I’m a founder... French paperwork is incredibly stupid (beyond any necessary explanation), and, for no employee, I pay my accountant 2800€ to handle said paperwork. Second, tax deduction and grants... There are full companies whose job is to get grants for others. But if you don’t know the right law or the right grant, you pay the higher tax. I’ve lost at least 150.000€ with that on my first 8 years, although I did have an accountant to advise me on this, which means I struggle on my first employee. Last, the marxist culture. As long as you earn money, you’re assumed to be an asshole, so you constantly have to remind people how much donations you make and how much you’ve worked to earn the right to earn your own money. It’s quite unhealthy to say the least. For 100k€, I give 63k€ to accountant and various taxes, donate ~1k in money in average (and 1% products) and participate to local education. Yeah, I’m flagged as a selfish guy by outsiders (not interns, my interns love their job, my internships are way above average). Besides, Macron said there are too many white males in IT, so you’re welcome to leave. Just to set the expectations.

nopless 8y ago
Well 2,8k € per year (small startup) or per month (half time accountant) is nothing. How much will you pay in the USA? Regarding fiscal stuff. I am afraid to say that this is the same in all countries... You better know the fiscal laws or request help from someone who knows. In any case, you are refering to 19k per year... It's not what we can call a strong showstopper! Regarding 2 last points, it's clearly your point of view and I don't share it.
LarryL 8y ago
> Last, the marxist culture. As long as you earn money, you’re assumed to be an asshole, [...] The above quote is simply false, it's nonsense, a HUGE generalization and a big exaggeration. I'm french. And I'm 47, so I'm not (or no longer) the naive just out-of-school type... The "marxist culture"? In France?? France is a very conservative society that leans a LOT to the "right". We are certainly more "social"-oriented than many countries, but the mindset is still _very_ conservative. Religion (Catholicism) is still quite present (even if people don't attend church), for instance attitudes towards sexuality are still pretty conservative, even if it's MUCH better than in my youth. As for "earning money == asshole", that's also an exaggeration. What people here don't like is the people who put their money in your face (not always realizing they do so), and there can also be envy. And in the other direction: in my family there are some quite wealthy people, and THEIR attitude is really bad, they are extremely contemptuous towards everybody else (myself included) and always forget that not everybody has had all the advantages (financial, connnections, etc.) that they have had. Try to picture (a REAL story) when you are 15 years old, and your own cousin (also 15) boasts about what studies he's going to do and that you (his cousins) are all unworthy and beneath him.... (Note: ALL those other "inferior" cousins now have at least a 5 years university or equivalent diploma, mostly in STEM, some from the most elite french schools).

by tajen 8y ago

nopless 8y ago

Well 2,8k € per year (small startup) or per month (half time accountant) is nothing. How much will you pay in the USA? Regarding fiscal stuff. I am afraid to say that this is the same in all countries... You better know the fiscal laws or request help from someone who knows. In any case, you are refering to 19k per year... It's not what we can call a strong showstopper! Regarding 2 last points, it's clearly your point of view and I don't share it.

LarryL 8y ago

> Last, the marxist culture. As long as you earn money, you’re assumed to be an asshole, [...] The above quote is simply false, it's nonsense, a HUGE generalization and a big exaggeration. I'm french. And I'm 47, so I'm not (or no longer) the naive just out-of-school type... The "marxist culture"? In France?? France is a very conservative society that leans a LOT to the "right". We are certainly more "social"-oriented than many countries, but the mindset is still _very_ conservative. Religion (Catholicism) is still quite present (even if people don't attend church), for instance attitudes towards sexuality are still pretty conservative, even if it's MUCH better than in my youth. As for "earning money == asshole", that's also an exaggeration. What people here don't like is the people who put their money in your face (not always realizing they do so), and there can also be envy. And in the other direction: in my family there are some quite wealthy people, and THEIR attitude is really bad, they are extremely contemptuous towards everybody else (myself included) and always forget that not everybody has had all the advantages (financial, connnections, etc.) that they have had. Try to picture (a REAL story) when you are 15 years old, and your own cousin (also 15) boasts about what studies he's going to do and that you (his cousins) are all unworthy and beneath him.... (Note: ALL those other "inferior" cousins now have at least a 5 years university or equivalent diploma, mostly in STEM, some from the most elite french schools).