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Correction, there are enough devs but the salaries are too low, so they go elsewhere like I did. I am not going to work 40+ hours a week or more to make 2500 eu

Correction, there are enough devs but the salaries are too low, so they go elsewhere like I did. I am not going to work 40+ hours a week or more to make 2500 euros and pay 1000 euros of rent in Paris. Whats the point? Also, Paris is a crime-ridden city that is way overpriced.

flaie 8y ago
Exactly, there's a lot of cool stuff going on in Paris, but seriously it's underpaid for the price you have to pay to live there. From where I live I could work in Paris with the same commute time than I do by working in Luxembourg, but I get a better paycheck. Renting a 2 bedroom costs 700€ a month where I live, in Paris it would cost 2 to 3 times this. I don't get the "there's not enough engineering available", this is just not true, reality is that people will earn a lot more in London, Luxembourg, Switzerland, so they chose that.
- Uberphallus 8y ago
  Confirmed. I'm far from Paris, my company proposed me to change client and relocate to Paris. Had a look at rent prices and traffic. Next thing I ask is if I'm getting some kind of salary raise, and they look at me and replied with the classic "bah, écoute...", obviously I declined.
- mayniac 8y ago
  >I don't get the "there's not enough engineering available", this is just not true, reality is that people will earn a lot more in London Not by much [1][2], and rent is worse in London[3]. I think income tax is fairly comparable. From personal experience the same salary goes further in Paris and quality of life is better than in London, although I never officially worked in Paris so can't comment too much. The nightlife is certainly better. Also Switzerland is crazy expensive so even if you're earning more it won't matter, pretty much everything you buy day to day is about 2x as expensive compared to anywhere else. [1] https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,24.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-software-enginee... [2] https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/paris-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,5_IM1080_KO6,23.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/paris-software-engineer... [3] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...
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flaie 8y ago

Exactly, there's a lot of cool stuff going on in Paris, but seriously it's underpaid for the price you have to pay to live there. From where I live I could work in Paris with the same commute time than I do by working in Luxembourg, but I get a better paycheck. Renting a 2 bedroom costs 700€ a month where I live, in Paris it would cost 2 to 3 times this. I don't get the "there's not enough engineering available", this is just not true, reality is that people will earn a lot more in London, Luxembourg, Switzerland, so they chose that.

Uberphallus 8y ago
Confirmed. I'm far from Paris, my company proposed me to change client and relocate to Paris. Had a look at rent prices and traffic. Next thing I ask is if I'm getting some kind of salary raise, and they look at me and replied with the classic "bah, écoute...", obviously I declined.
mayniac 8y ago
>I don't get the "there's not enough engineering available", this is just not true, reality is that people will earn a lot more in London Not by much [1][2], and rent is worse in London[3]. I think income tax is fairly comparable. From personal experience the same salary goes further in Paris and quality of life is better than in London, although I never officially worked in Paris so can't comment too much. The nightlife is certainly better. Also Switzerland is crazy expensive so even if you're earning more it won't matter, pretty much everything you buy day to day is about 2x as expensive compared to anywhere else. [1] https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,24.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-software-enginee... [2] https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/paris-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,5_IM1080_KO6,23.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/paris-software-engineer... [3] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...
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