> Do you propose a city should not measure traffic or pollution? No, I certainly propose a city should measure it. I propose it be done with taxpayer dollars,

> Do you propose a city should not measure traffic or pollution? No, I certainly propose a city should measure it. I propose it be done with taxpayer dollars, open source software, and in an otherwise fully open and democratic way by the city. I do not think corporations should build themselves into cities with a specific plan for surveillance in mind. > There is a difference between gathering aggregate data about a neighborhood, and individual surveillance. Not much of one, depending on the neighborhood and how the data is collected. We're all told that the employees at Google, Facebook, etc have very limited access to customer data, but that oversight is also very unknown and opaque to the outside world, and not trusted. I'm certainly not ready to trust Google with an idea of "no individual surveillance" in their city, when obviously as soon as I go in their with my Android phone they know who I am anyway. > I think you are reading more into it than you should. No way. Google is showing their ambitions at running human society in a very closed, scary, surveillance-enabled way. If anything I'm reading too little into their plans.