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Isn’t the problem more about users of technology blindly agreeing to contracts that very few actually read? In some cases, there are actual breeches that expose

by afpx 8y ago

Isn’t the problem more about users of technology blindly agreeing to contracts that very few actually read? In some cases, there are actual breeches that expose private data to misuse, but most location data is obtained from users who quickly scroll through a long EULA without understanding what they’re agreeing to.

tropdrop 8y ago
I would like to hear more from individuals that actually take the time to read every single EULA that gets thrown at them - and what their next course of action is after they do. For some EULAs, it is possible to abstain using the service once you find something egregious in that agreement. I can avoid downloading an app or taking an Uber. But when it comes to internet service providers - what are your options? Okay, you read through Comcast's EULA and found something alarming. So your next option is to... read AT&T's EULA and also be alarmed? Is the solution to forgo any cell/internet service?
- herbst 8y ago
  Don't get me wrong but the issue is the monopolistic market. I trust my Internet provider and have no issue with their ToS (which I read) however I can choose from 10+ providers. I also quote the Facebook TOS when people wonder why I am not there. Or pay more for my emailing to not have to deal with mailchimps ToS. IMO there is a market for more privacy oriented people. And some companies know and use that fact.
- takluyver 8y ago
  I know someone who used to read most Ts&Cs when signing up for services. It wasn't so much about the possibility of declining, but more about knowing what you're getting into. There's also an argument that if you make yourself do this, you end up with fewer accounts that you don't really need. Even if you do try to read them, they're generally written in vague legalese that I assume means "we can do whatever we like, and you have no right to complain". And if they haven't allowed something they later want to do, you'll get an email saying that they're "clarifying" their terms and conditions, and if you don't like it, you can stop using the service.
- kinsomo 8y ago
  > I would like to hear more from individuals that actually take the time to read every single EULA that gets thrown at them No one actually does this. I read somewhere that it would take an estimated 71 days per year to read all of the EULAs and T&C documents and their updates that an average American is subject to.
wu-ikkyu 8y ago
>Isn’t the problem more about users of technology blindly agreeing to contracts that very few actually read? Isn't this problem more about purposefuly obfuscated legalese documents that are impossible for users to understand and that are constantly updated and constricted like "bait and switch" schemes?

by afpx 8y ago

tropdrop 8y ago

I would like to hear more from individuals that actually take the time to read every single EULA that gets thrown at them - and what their next course of action is after they do. For some EULAs, it is possible to abstain using the service once you find something egregious in that agreement. I can avoid downloading an app or taking an Uber. But when it comes to internet service providers - what are your options? Okay, you read through Comcast's EULA and found something alarming. So your next option is to... read AT&T's EULA and also be alarmed? Is the solution to forgo any cell/internet service?

herbst 8y ago
Don't get me wrong but the issue is the monopolistic market. I trust my Internet provider and have no issue with their ToS (which I read) however I can choose from 10+ providers. I also quote the Facebook TOS when people wonder why I am not there. Or pay more for my emailing to not have to deal with mailchimps ToS. IMO there is a market for more privacy oriented people. And some companies know and use that fact.
takluyver 8y ago
I know someone who used to read most Ts&Cs when signing up for services. It wasn't so much about the possibility of declining, but more about knowing what you're getting into. There's also an argument that if you make yourself do this, you end up with fewer accounts that you don't really need. Even if you do try to read them, they're generally written in vague legalese that I assume means "we can do whatever we like, and you have no right to complain". And if they haven't allowed something they later want to do, you'll get an email saying that they're "clarifying" their terms and conditions, and if you don't like it, you can stop using the service.
kinsomo 8y ago
> I would like to hear more from individuals that actually take the time to read every single EULA that gets thrown at them No one actually does this. I read somewhere that it would take an estimated 71 days per year to read all of the EULAs and T&C documents and their updates that an average American is subject to.

wu-ikkyu 8y ago

>Isn’t the problem more about users of technology blindly agreeing to contracts that very few actually read? Isn't this problem more about purposefuly obfuscated legalese documents that are impossible for users to understand and that are constantly updated and constricted like "bait and switch" schemes?