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GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. The start-up industry will be a long forgotten dream. These old b@$%%%s will turn

GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. The start-up industry will be a long forgotten dream. These old b@$%%%s will turn the internet into cable television. Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in these government bodies or the few surviving monopolies. Sorry for my language.

downandout 8y ago
GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. Yeah but there's nothing wrong with that per se. It's the EU's choice to return to the stone age. There are Amish communities in the US where nobody has computers and their primary form of transportation is horses and buggies [1]. The rest of the world will simply move on, and like Amish communities, those in the EU that wish to participate in modern society can simply move. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
- TAForObvReasons 8y ago
  I'd argue the EU is "moving fast and breaking things" because the industry was incapable of self-regulating.
  - donatj 8y ago
    I think it's self regulating just fine. It's met the needs and desires of the majority. I just think Privacy advocates are a very vocal very small minority whom found themselves in power in Europe. Basically everyone save a select few would rather have the convenience Facebook has brought over the privacy GDPR tries to bring. I assure you the majority would rather have free services than self righteous lack there of. The majority do not want nor really care about Privacy to such an extent. The majority do not see themselves as easily manipulated, and do not see the harm. I happen to agree and think the EU has killed the economy in the name of something no one really wants.
    - sidibe 8y ago
      I think you are right. What we have here is an issue that a small percentage of people care very deeply about and others agree with them in principle but don't really care. Now that this issue is going to affect everyone in ways they notice, they will start to chime in on the other side. I think many people would rather pay for things with data than money. GDPR seems to go too far in that it doesn't even allow that (companies can't deny someone using their service if they don't opt in to tracking)
    - literallycancer 8y ago
      The EU parliament is democratically elected. It reflects the preferences of the majority of people, even if perhaps not perfectly. The other EU bodies are composed of people selected by national governments that are, again, democratically elected. So the only possible argument similar to what you are saying is that in the time since the last set of elections, the population changed its preference and it's not yet reflected in the parliaments. >I assure you the majority would rather have free services than self righteous lack there of. It's not free if they sell your data.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  You actually think that censoring the internet causes technological collapse? Have you heard of China?
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TAForObvReasons 8y ago
This is unnecessarily alarmist and hilarious. It's clear that personal information and other data was not properly respected by many startups and large companies. Data "breaches" and the various apology tours have shown a massive loophole in the law, and now the law is responding by closing the loophole. If your business was profiting specifically by exploiting personal information, this would be a sad day for you but a "good riddance" moment for the rest of the world. If you have a legitimate business that isn't underpinned by such odious behaviors, this demands a small review of your business practices but is generally a good thing.
- _jn 8y ago
  I’d be very interested in hearing the counterarguments to this comment instead of just seeing downvotes.
  - TAForObvReasons 8y ago
    The uncommented and numerous downvotes (-4 at the moment) in these discussions about GDPR remind me of the great Upton Sinclair quote: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
  - x0x0 8y ago
    It's a lot more than a "small review", even for product focused sites not anywhere near the business of selling or monetizing personal data.
    - salvar 8y ago
      That's fair, but businesses need to do all kinds of things they'd rather not have to do, just to be able to do business. I'm not sure I really believe the sky is falling just because businesses need to take better care of user data.
arkona3 8y ago
Why so? These laws are unenforceable or at the least unenforceable outside of the EU’s jurisdiction. If EU citizens are blocked from a website, they will access it behind a VPN like people in Russia and China are currently doing. Governments haven’t managed to shut down torrents in 20 years of trying and buying drugs on darknet markets has never been easier. How much power do you think they have?
cinquemb 8y ago
Law's are like playing wackamole when it comes to things like limiting how technology will be (ab)used. In the long run, those with means (resources [and various ways of protecting such], knowledge) will do what they can.
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beagle3 8y ago
Why do you (and others) lump GDPR with this law? There is nothing common to them. Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR. This law is different.
- lucio 8y ago
  >Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR yeah! Also, only people who have something to hide are too attached to privacy /s
  - beagle3 8y ago
    Every law is a balancing act. I note your /s, but still think its worthy of a response because many people accept this without sarcasm. GDPR prefers, in the grand scheme of things, the privacy and anonymity of 400M European to the bottom line of 50-100 companies, most of which aren't based in Europe. Lack of privacy hurts & benefits ... who, exactly? Mostly the same (except it's more like 1000-5000 companies, but still).
- Ygg2 8y ago
  There's one thing in common. Money required to obey them. And while GDPR can be somewhat avoided, how in the everloving name of Christ, can you avoid linking without horribly distorting the basic principles of the Web?
  - beagle3 8y ago
    GDPR requires money to comply if you weren’t already compliant, yes - and at the extreme, it might even kill your business completely if your business isn’t gdpr compatible. But that’s a transient effect. It is similar to an ordinance saying “starting tomorrow, you may not dump your sewage in the sea”. It might cost you to get proper disposal services, and if your business was about disposing to the sea, you’ll probably have to close shop. But new houses wont dispose to the sea in the first place. And it will be better for everyone.
Bizarro 8y ago
Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. That's some kind of weird hyperbole that doesn't make much sense. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in these government bodies or the few surviving monopolies. The rest of the world will ignore the EU, while the EU continues to dig its own grave.
- anoncow 8y ago
  > weird hyperbole I agree. I can't seem to understand why would someone propose something as stupid as the linktax. So my brain came up with this weird reason. Nevertheless, the world will come up with something. It always does.

downandout 8y ago

GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. Yeah but there's nothing wrong with that per se. It's the EU's choice to return to the stone age. There are Amish communities in the US where nobody has computers and their primary form of transportation is horses and buggies [1]. The rest of the world will simply move on, and like Amish communities, those in the EU that wish to participate in modern society can simply move. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish

TAForObvReasons 8y ago
I'd argue the EU is "moving fast and breaking things" because the industry was incapable of self-regulating.
- donatj 8y ago
  I think it's self regulating just fine. It's met the needs and desires of the majority. I just think Privacy advocates are a very vocal very small minority whom found themselves in power in Europe. Basically everyone save a select few would rather have the convenience Facebook has brought over the privacy GDPR tries to bring. I assure you the majority would rather have free services than self righteous lack there of. The majority do not want nor really care about Privacy to such an extent. The majority do not see themselves as easily manipulated, and do not see the harm. I happen to agree and think the EU has killed the economy in the name of something no one really wants.
  - sidibe 8y ago
    I think you are right. What we have here is an issue that a small percentage of people care very deeply about and others agree with them in principle but don't really care. Now that this issue is going to affect everyone in ways they notice, they will start to chime in on the other side. I think many people would rather pay for things with data than money. GDPR seems to go too far in that it doesn't even allow that (companies can't deny someone using their service if they don't opt in to tracking)
  - literallycancer 8y ago
    The EU parliament is democratically elected. It reflects the preferences of the majority of people, even if perhaps not perfectly. The other EU bodies are composed of people selected by national governments that are, again, democratically elected. So the only possible argument similar to what you are saying is that in the time since the last set of elections, the population changed its preference and it's not yet reflected in the parliaments. >I assure you the majority would rather have free services than self righteous lack there of. It's not free if they sell your data.
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
You actually think that censoring the internet causes technological collapse? Have you heard of China?
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TAForObvReasons 8y ago

This is unnecessarily alarmist and hilarious. It's clear that personal information and other data was not properly respected by many startups and large companies. Data "breaches" and the various apology tours have shown a massive loophole in the law, and now the law is responding by closing the loophole. If your business was profiting specifically by exploiting personal information, this would be a sad day for you but a "good riddance" moment for the rest of the world. If you have a legitimate business that isn't underpinned by such odious behaviors, this demands a small review of your business practices but is generally a good thing.

_jn 8y ago
I’d be very interested in hearing the counterarguments to this comment instead of just seeing downvotes.
- TAForObvReasons 8y ago
  The uncommented and numerous downvotes (-4 at the moment) in these discussions about GDPR remind me of the great Upton Sinclair quote: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
- x0x0 8y ago
  It's a lot more than a "small review", even for product focused sites not anywhere near the business of selling or monetizing personal data.
  - salvar 8y ago
    That's fair, but businesses need to do all kinds of things they'd rather not have to do, just to be able to do business. I'm not sure I really believe the sky is falling just because businesses need to take better care of user data.

arkona3 8y ago

Why so? These laws are unenforceable or at the least unenforceable outside of the EU’s jurisdiction. If EU citizens are blocked from a website, they will access it behind a VPN like people in Russia and China are currently doing. Governments haven’t managed to shut down torrents in 20 years of trying and buying drugs on darknet markets has never been easier. How much power do you think they have?

cinquemb 8y ago

Law's are like playing wackamole when it comes to things like limiting how technology will be (ab)used. In the long run, those with means (resources [and various ways of protecting such], knowledge) will do what they can.

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beagle3 8y ago

Why do you (and others) lump GDPR with this law? There is nothing common to them. Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR. This law is different.

lucio 8y ago
>Other than people who actually profit of personal data, I have not met one person who isn't in favor of the GDPR yeah! Also, only people who have something to hide are too attached to privacy /s
- beagle3 8y ago
  Every law is a balancing act. I note your /s, but still think its worthy of a response because many people accept this without sarcasm. GDPR prefers, in the grand scheme of things, the privacy and anonymity of 400M European to the bottom line of 50-100 companies, most of which aren't based in Europe. Lack of privacy hurts & benefits ... who, exactly? Mostly the same (except it's more like 1000-5000 companies, but still).
Ygg2 8y ago
There's one thing in common. Money required to obey them. And while GDPR can be somewhat avoided, how in the everloving name of Christ, can you avoid linking without horribly distorting the basic principles of the Web?
- beagle3 8y ago
  GDPR requires money to comply if you weren’t already compliant, yes - and at the extreme, it might even kill your business completely if your business isn’t gdpr compatible. But that’s a transient effect. It is similar to an ordinance saying “starting tomorrow, you may not dump your sewage in the sea”. It might cost you to get proper disposal services, and if your business was about disposing to the sea, you’ll probably have to close shop. But new houses wont dispose to the sea in the first place. And it will be better for everyone.

Bizarro 8y ago

Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. That's some kind of weird hyperbole that doesn't make much sense. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in these government bodies or the few surviving monopolies. The rest of the world will ignore the EU, while the EU continues to dig its own grave.

anoncow 8y ago
> weird hyperbole I agree. I can't seem to understand why would someone propose something as stupid as the linktax. So my brain came up with this weird reason. Nevertheless, the world will come up with something. It always does.