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RedHat lives and dies on value to the enterprise. Their consultants need to find a way to stop enterprise customers from just reaching for whatever FOSS is out

by ttul 8y ago

RedHat lives and dies on value to the enterprise. Their consultants need to find a way to stop enterprise customers from just reaching for whatever FOSS is out there. By giving away their own framework, they can keep their clients in the redhat universe where redhat folks have expertise to offer.

robszumski 8y ago
PatternFly isn't particularly new (commits back to 2014) and is mostly focused on shipping coherent and consistent product UIs from RedHat to their customers. This has nothing to do with consultants and Red Hat is not telling their customers to use this framework, although they definitely could if they desired to.
jacques_chester 8y ago
I don't think this is true at all. Red Hat needed a web toolkit for their products and presumably decided that the available options weren't suitable for their purposes. These are more common now because a few years ago a lot of folks drew the same conclusions at around the same time. For example, PivotalUI[0] was developed in-house to provide a uniform toolkit and look-n-feel for Pivotal's various web interfaces (Pivotal Network, OpsMan, AppsMan, Healthcheck, Metrics etc). Other examples include JetBrains's RingUI[1] or Microsoft's ReactXP[2]. But by no means is PivotalUI intended to lock anyone into anything. To my knowledge our consulting division, Pivotal Labs, has undertaken approximately zero projects using Pivotal UI. Disclosure: I work for Pivotal. We compete with Red Hat. [0] https://styleguide.pivotal.io/ https://styleguide.pivotal.io/ [1] https://www.jetbrains.org/ring-ui/index.html https://www.jetbrains.org/ring-ui/index.html [2] https://microsoft.github.io/reactxp/ https://microsoft.github.io/reactxp/
- AlphaSite 8y ago
  VMware has something similar in clarity[0], and I guess they decided that bootstrap in a mobile first framework and what they wanted was desktop first, since that what their customers use. I guess what matters more than reactive are wizards, login screens and tables[1]. Incidentally whoever made these examples appears to love pokemon. [0] https://github.com/vmware/clarity https://github.com/vmware/clarity [1] https://imgur.com/a/5j4PaIR https://imgur.com/a/5j4PaIR

by ttul 8y ago

robszumski 8y ago

PatternFly isn't particularly new (commits back to 2014) and is mostly focused on shipping coherent and consistent product UIs from RedHat to their customers. This has nothing to do with consultants and Red Hat is not telling their customers to use this framework, although they definitely could if they desired to.

jacques_chester 8y ago

I don't think this is true at all. Red Hat needed a web toolkit for their products and presumably decided that the available options weren't suitable for their purposes. These are more common now because a few years ago a lot of folks drew the same conclusions at around the same time. For example, PivotalUI[0] was developed in-house to provide a uniform toolkit and look-n-feel for Pivotal's various web interfaces (Pivotal Network, OpsMan, AppsMan, Healthcheck, Metrics etc). Other examples include JetBrains's RingUI[1] or Microsoft's ReactXP[2]. But by no means is PivotalUI intended to lock anyone into anything. To my knowledge our consulting division, Pivotal Labs, has undertaken approximately zero projects using Pivotal UI. Disclosure: I work for Pivotal. We compete with Red Hat. [0] https://styleguide.pivotal.io/ https://styleguide.pivotal.io/ [1] https://www.jetbrains.org/ring-ui/index.html https://www.jetbrains.org/ring-ui/index.html [2] https://microsoft.github.io/reactxp/ https://microsoft.github.io/reactxp/

AlphaSite 8y ago
VMware has something similar in clarity[0], and I guess they decided that bootstrap in a mobile first framework and what they wanted was desktop first, since that what their customers use. I guess what matters more than reactive are wizards, login screens and tables[1]. Incidentally whoever made these examples appears to love pokemon. [0] https://github.com/vmware/clarity https://github.com/vmware/clarity [1] https://imgur.com/a/5j4PaIR https://imgur.com/a/5j4PaIR