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> Not all business models are legal. But why make this one illegal? We can make wedding planners illegal if we don't like them and then just say "not all busi

> Not all business models are legal. But why make this one illegal? We can make wedding planners illegal if we don't like them and then just say "not all business models are legal. But that doesn't explain why. Why stop people from engaging in a transaction that both sides consider to be a win?

icebraining 8y ago
Because "in the EU, personal information cannot be conceived as a mere economic asset: according to the case law of the European Court of Human Rights, the processing of personal data requires protection to ensure a person's enjoyment of the right to respect for private life and freedom of expression and association". https://edps.europa.eu/sites/edp/files/publication/16-09-23_bigdata_opinion_en.pdf https://edps.europa.eu/sites/edp/files/publication/16-09-23_...
- thedevil 8y ago
  It's a little unclear to me how this answers the question. Can you connect the dots here? I don't think not giving you services if you don't opt in violates your "enjoyment of the right to respect for private life..." Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? If not, how does your quote tie in?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? That's the principle behind the GDPR, yes.
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      No. You are still allowed to do that, but you have to explicitly opt-in.
  - anonymousab 8y ago
    > Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? I think that's the crux. That information is to be regarded as part of some inalienable rights, that those who have those rights cannot give up, even if they want to. Not allowing people to waive their rights prevents a race to the bottom, in theory.
Tomte 8y ago
For the same reason we disallow indentured servitude, even if the poor guy would „really“ love to „work“ for the other guy. For the same reason we disallow duels, even if both parties feel it would be a great way to settle a dispute.
- thedevil 8y ago
  Do you think Google requiring use of my personal info in exchange for free services should be banned for the same reason as duels? What is that reason exactly? I don't see what the two have in common.
  - Tomte 8y ago
    Ordre public (public policy).
    - thedevil 8y ago
      So are your norms and morals offended enough to justify banning such a business model that requires opt-in? Is this the basis of our disagreement?
      - Tomte 8y ago
        This is not about my personal norms and morals, but about those of the society I live in. Unlike some Internet and Silicon Valley types (who always seem to lean ultra-libertarian), I like living in a society. And society has a fabric. This discussion is a bit like the one about minimum wage. You probably don't like it. Many people ("society") do.

icebraining 8y ago

Because "in the EU, personal information cannot be conceived as a mere economic asset: according to the case law of the European Court of Human Rights, the processing of personal data requires protection to ensure a person's enjoyment of the right to respect for private life and freedom of expression and association". https://edps.europa.eu/sites/edp/files/publication/16-09-23_bigdata_opinion_en.pdf https://edps.europa.eu/sites/edp/files/publication/16-09-23_...

thedevil 8y ago
It's a little unclear to me how this answers the question. Can you connect the dots here? I don't think not giving you services if you don't opt in violates your "enjoyment of the right to respect for private life..." Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? If not, how does your quote tie in?
- icebraining 8y ago
  Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? That's the principle behind the GDPR, yes.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    No. You are still allowed to do that, but you have to explicitly opt-in.
- anonymousab 8y ago
  > Are you saying that you shouldn't be allowed to trade use of your personal information for services? I think that's the crux. That information is to be regarded as part of some inalienable rights, that those who have those rights cannot give up, even if they want to. Not allowing people to waive their rights prevents a race to the bottom, in theory.

Tomte 8y ago

For the same reason we disallow indentured servitude, even if the poor guy would „really“ love to „work“ for the other guy. For the same reason we disallow duels, even if both parties feel it would be a great way to settle a dispute.

thedevil 8y ago
Do you think Google requiring use of my personal info in exchange for free services should be banned for the same reason as duels? What is that reason exactly? I don't see what the two have in common.
- Tomte 8y ago
  Ordre public (public policy).
  - thedevil 8y ago
    So are your norms and morals offended enough to justify banning such a business model that requires opt-in? Is this the basis of our disagreement?
    - Tomte 8y ago
      This is not about my personal norms and morals, but about those of the society I live in. Unlike some Internet and Silicon Valley types (who always seem to lean ultra-libertarian), I like living in a society. And society has a fabric. This discussion is a bit like the one about minimum wage. You probably don't like it. Many people ("society") do.