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ZeppelinOS, a platform for smart contract applications in Ethereum

48 points by elopio 8y ago

stonogo 8y ago
Why is this here? Why does it contain a picture of seventeen people standing in the dark? What are any of us supposed to do with this information?
- codewithcheese 8y ago
  Impressive you counted how many in the dark. There is also a total of 1 person in the light. He is probably making an announcement. It's a announcement post.
  - stonogo 8y ago
    They're so far down the hype hole that they've completely failed to make a business case for their product. This isn't an announcement of anything at all, as far as I can tell, especially since all their stuff 'went live' at some indeterminate point in the past. I repeat: what are we supposed to do with this information? Does anybody know?
    - thinkmassive 8y ago
      “Today we’re excited to announce the first mainnet release of ZeppelinOS” ...sounds like the contract just went live on mainnet This is a library that allows “smart contracts that can be easily upgraded over time.” If this is applicable to you, what’s difficult to understand? If this is NOT applicable to you, why do you care? Do you criticize other software libraries that you don’t understand, when they’re unrelated to blockchain technology?
- ismaelbej 8y ago
  The presentation was done at a hackaton in Buenos Aires. The people in the dark should be the firsts rows of attendants.
wslh 8y ago
Is it recommended to editorialized the titles in HN? I posted this same URL a few hours earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17162884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17162884 but it didn't work audience-wise. BTW, it is interesting to read the third party smart contract audit since Open Zeppelin are one of the top auditors: https://medium.com/nomic-labs-blog/zeppelinos-smart-contracts-audit-dc772cfae224 https://medium.com/nomic-labs-blog/zeppelinos-smart-contract...
gusfoo 8y ago
A platform for making things on a platform made for creating platforms. I'm sure (semi-sarcastically) that you'll surely make a lot of money.
- Rexxar 8y ago
  They launch "ZEP token" and have a white paper. They will surely be a success.
pavlov 8y ago
The whitepaper is probably the most HN-friendly overview of what ZeppelinOS is: https://docs.zeppelinos.org/docs/whitepaper.html https://docs.zeppelinos.org/docs/whitepaper.html As an aside, it's somewhat ridiculous how every blockchain-anything project feels the need to have a Serious And Highly Credible CS Whitepaper — and the way to achieve this is to typeset your marketing talk in Computer Modern and add a list of pointless references at the end. (The ZeppelinOS whitepaper has nine references of which two point to Zeppelin itself and three are links to heroku.com, ifttt.com and ethereum.org, just in case your Google is out of order.) Computer Modern is not a good font by any measure, but it seems to have amazing signalling powers even surpassing Comic Sans.
- garmaine 8y ago
  Blame the investors. They have a list of things they look for, chief among them being “the whitepaper”
  - pavlov 8y ago
    It does appear to be a cargo cult. Blockchain investors want to see something that looks like the Bitcoin whitepaper, even though they can't understand a word and the mock-scientific format doesn't make a lot of sense for products being proposed by businesses. I guess fools and their money will be eventually parted, whether it's through ICOs, Bitcoin price manipulation, or whatever is the scam du jour in cryptocurrency-land.
- penagwin 8y ago
  Holly crap! They literally link to "https://heroku.com" https://heroku.com", etc. I thought they'd link to a page on those sites, but just the root domain? Dang.
Animats 8y ago
It seems to be mostly an excuse for yet another initial coin offering. This is another scheme for changing contracts retroactively to "fix bugs". Who can make changes is regulated by what seems to be a proof of stake system. What a contract is for change purposes is ill-defined. The authors seem to think of a contract as a standard form, and changing that standard form changes it for all existing users of that form. A real contract is a text plus the agreement of the parties. That doesn't seem to have been thought through. There's a lot of "trust us" stuff in there. See 5.5, "Trusted Oracles", and 6.4, "Marketplace Curation". There's a bigger problem - this is supposed to be for contracts in Etherium, but control rests with the holders of the proposed "ZED" tokens.
slimshady94 8y ago
Zeppelin is actually one of the more popular libraries; many contracts use their SafeMath and Token libs. It may seem abstract to people unfamiliar with the space but their libraries are indeed useful, they are basically the recommended stdlib for Solidity. The need for a token still isn't clear though.
perilunar 8y ago
A pity it's not actually a system for operating Zeppelins. Maybe they should team up with UrbanAirship.com and build real urban airships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Santos-Dumont_flight_around_the_Eiffel_Tower.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Santos-Dumont_flight_arou...
elopio 8y ago
If you want to know more details, you can watch the video from ETHBuenosAires: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17241136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17241136

48 points by elopio 8y ago

Why is this here? Why does it contain a picture of seventeen people standing in the dark? What are any of us supposed to do with this information?

codewithcheese 8y ago
Impressive you counted how many in the dark. There is also a total of 1 person in the light. He is probably making an announcement. It's a announcement post.
- stonogo 8y ago
  They're so far down the hype hole that they've completely failed to make a business case for their product. This isn't an announcement of anything at all, as far as I can tell, especially since all their stuff 'went live' at some indeterminate point in the past. I repeat: what are we supposed to do with this information? Does anybody know?
  - thinkmassive 8y ago
    “Today we’re excited to announce the first mainnet release of ZeppelinOS” ...sounds like the contract just went live on mainnet This is a library that allows “smart contracts that can be easily upgraded over time.” If this is applicable to you, what’s difficult to understand? If this is NOT applicable to you, why do you care? Do you criticize other software libraries that you don’t understand, when they’re unrelated to blockchain technology?
ismaelbej 8y ago
The presentation was done at a hackaton in Buenos Aires. The people in the dark should be the firsts rows of attendants.

wslh 8y ago

Is it recommended to editorialized the titles in HN? I posted this same URL a few hours earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17162884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17162884 but it didn't work audience-wise. BTW, it is interesting to read the third party smart contract audit since Open Zeppelin are one of the top auditors: https://medium.com/nomic-labs-blog/zeppelinos-smart-contracts-audit-dc772cfae224 https://medium.com/nomic-labs-blog/zeppelinos-smart-contract...

gusfoo 8y ago

A platform for making things on a platform made for creating platforms. I'm sure (semi-sarcastically) that you'll surely make a lot of money.

Rexxar 8y ago
They launch "ZEP token" and have a white paper. They will surely be a success.

pavlov 8y ago

The whitepaper is probably the most HN-friendly overview of what ZeppelinOS is: https://docs.zeppelinos.org/docs/whitepaper.html https://docs.zeppelinos.org/docs/whitepaper.html As an aside, it's somewhat ridiculous how every blockchain-anything project feels the need to have a Serious And Highly Credible CS Whitepaper — and the way to achieve this is to typeset your marketing talk in Computer Modern and add a list of pointless references at the end. (The ZeppelinOS whitepaper has nine references of which two point to Zeppelin itself and three are links to heroku.com, ifttt.com and ethereum.org, just in case your Google is out of order.) Computer Modern is not a good font by any measure, but it seems to have amazing signalling powers even surpassing Comic Sans.

garmaine 8y ago
Blame the investors. They have a list of things they look for, chief among them being “the whitepaper”
- pavlov 8y ago
  It does appear to be a cargo cult. Blockchain investors want to see something that looks like the Bitcoin whitepaper, even though they can't understand a word and the mock-scientific format doesn't make a lot of sense for products being proposed by businesses. I guess fools and their money will be eventually parted, whether it's through ICOs, Bitcoin price manipulation, or whatever is the scam du jour in cryptocurrency-land.
penagwin 8y ago
Holly crap! They literally link to "https://heroku.com" https://heroku.com", etc. I thought they'd link to a page on those sites, but just the root domain? Dang.

Animats 8y ago

It seems to be mostly an excuse for yet another initial coin offering. This is another scheme for changing contracts retroactively to "fix bugs". Who can make changes is regulated by what seems to be a proof of stake system. What a contract is for change purposes is ill-defined. The authors seem to think of a contract as a standard form, and changing that standard form changes it for all existing users of that form. A real contract is a text plus the agreement of the parties. That doesn't seem to have been thought through. There's a lot of "trust us" stuff in there. See 5.5, "Trusted Oracles", and 6.4, "Marketplace Curation". There's a bigger problem - this is supposed to be for contracts in Etherium, but control rests with the holders of the proposed "ZED" tokens.

slimshady94 8y ago

Zeppelin is actually one of the more popular libraries; many contracts use their SafeMath and Token libs. It may seem abstract to people unfamiliar with the space but their libraries are indeed useful, they are basically the recommended stdlib for Solidity. The need for a token still isn't clear though.

perilunar 8y ago

A pity it's not actually a system for operating Zeppelins. Maybe they should team up with UrbanAirship.com and build real urban airships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Santos-Dumont_flight_around_the_Eiffel_Tower.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Santos-Dumont_flight_arou...

elopio 8y ago

If you want to know more details, you can watch the video from ETHBuenosAires: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17241136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17241136