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>That said, drones are not ideal for replacing aircraft in the large scale mapping. You are comparing consumer drones to airplanes. A quick google search tells

by figgis 8y ago

>That said, drones are not ideal for replacing aircraft in the large scale mapping. You are comparing consumer drones to airplanes. A quick google search tells me you can pick up a drone with over an hour of flight-time for 3.5k-ish (I don't know much about drone pricing so someone may have better options) Another quick google search tells me cheaper planes go from 25k (crappy) to 40k (reasonable) You can purchase 10 drones for the price of one airplane. Which I can't imagine an airplane could out map/survey 10 drones working together. I don't know much about drones or planes though so there are probably other restrictions.

abakker 8y ago
Core difference is /pixel resolution. Drones can easily produce 2-3cm/pixel. Airplanes don't do that well because they can't get that close to the ground and move too fast. For larger areas, though, airplanes are MUCH faster. Realistically, at those larger areas, though, you run against satellites, too.
Leherenn 8y ago
Depends what you want to do with your drones, but 3.5k would be really low end. I think 5k is more realistic, and you're looking at 15-20k if you want high precision (rtk) drones. On the other end, it's probably not just any plane for mapping, so cost could be higher. Plus the gimbal and sensor cost is going to be non negligible. Airplanes have to fly higher though, and thus at lower resolutions. The newest satellites are also getting closer to what they do, and they obviously have better coverage, so the market is shrinking.
joshvm 8y ago
> You are comparing consumer drones to airplanes. Sure, because the OP called out Google maps and that's how Google maps (at high resolution) is created. Drone mapping does tend to be much higher quality because you get a higher image cadence at a lower altitude. Fixed wing drones tend to be better in terms of flight time, that's certainly true. And you can get gliders which will last even longer if you manually thermal them. > Another quick google search tells me cheaper planes go from 25k (crappy) to 40k (reasonable) Add on at least another 20k for survey quality cameras (up to hundreds of k) and more for getting your plane modified (hole in the fuselage) and re-certified. Pilots are expensive, fuel is expensive and getting your annual COA (Certificate of Airworthiness, in the UK), insurance etc is not cheap. Google's surveying aircraft have at least five cameras so they can use photogrammetry (structure from motion) to create their 3D maps. As soon as you introduce surveying LIDAR into the equation, add a zero or two onto the cost estimate. I don't disagree that you could fly a drone fleet instead of an aircraft, but for country-scale mapping, aircraft make a lot of sense.
notahacker 8y ago
At the practical end of the scale, I was involved in a project where we were quoted in the region of $25k for a 4 hour LIDAR flight, and my colleagues considerably better versed in the subject than me were reasonably happy this was (i) better value for the region than they expected and (ii) cheaper than digital elevation mapping the same set of discrete areas by specialist drone with the drone operator driving in between. Limited range of current generation drones is the real downside... The flip side of this unhappy mapping equation is that if you're happy with lower resolution remote sensing data the government satellite programmes are mostly free and libre.

by figgis 8y ago

abakker 8y ago

Core difference is /pixel resolution. Drones can easily produce 2-3cm/pixel. Airplanes don't do that well because they can't get that close to the ground and move too fast. For larger areas, though, airplanes are MUCH faster. Realistically, at those larger areas, though, you run against satellites, too.

Leherenn 8y ago

Depends what you want to do with your drones, but 3.5k would be really low end. I think 5k is more realistic, and you're looking at 15-20k if you want high precision (rtk) drones. On the other end, it's probably not just any plane for mapping, so cost could be higher. Plus the gimbal and sensor cost is going to be non negligible. Airplanes have to fly higher though, and thus at lower resolutions. The newest satellites are also getting closer to what they do, and they obviously have better coverage, so the market is shrinking.

joshvm 8y ago

> You are comparing consumer drones to airplanes. Sure, because the OP called out Google maps and that's how Google maps (at high resolution) is created. Drone mapping does tend to be much higher quality because you get a higher image cadence at a lower altitude. Fixed wing drones tend to be better in terms of flight time, that's certainly true. And you can get gliders which will last even longer if you manually thermal them. > Another quick google search tells me cheaper planes go from 25k (crappy) to 40k (reasonable) Add on at least another 20k for survey quality cameras (up to hundreds of k) and more for getting your plane modified (hole in the fuselage) and re-certified. Pilots are expensive, fuel is expensive and getting your annual COA (Certificate of Airworthiness, in the UK), insurance etc is not cheap. Google's surveying aircraft have at least five cameras so they can use photogrammetry (structure from motion) to create their 3D maps. As soon as you introduce surveying LIDAR into the equation, add a zero or two onto the cost estimate. I don't disagree that you could fly a drone fleet instead of an aircraft, but for country-scale mapping, aircraft make a lot of sense.

notahacker 8y ago

At the practical end of the scale, I was involved in a project where we were quoted in the region of $25k for a 4 hour LIDAR flight, and my colleagues considerably better versed in the subject than me were reasonably happy this was (i) better value for the region than they expected and (ii) cheaper than digital elevation mapping the same set of discrete areas by specialist drone with the drone operator driving in between. Limited range of current generation drones is the real downside... The flip side of this unhappy mapping equation is that if you're happy with lower resolution remote sensing data the government satellite programmes are mostly free and libre.