around the same length of time developing. ... i still hand format; mostly because i think most auto-formatters have bad defaults. Which may no longer be true

around the same length of time developing. ... i still hand format; mostly because i think most auto-formatters have bad defaults. Which may no longer be true, since i turn off indent in vim immediately on any installation. It isn't really interest in minutia -- My fingers just do the thing automatically at this point; which means if autoindent is on, I then have to go back and delete all the stuff my muscle memory has made me do. I'm ok with it if i'm forced into some IDE with an editor that is not built for actually writing code (i.e. every IDE default editor); in those instances auto-formatting is very useful. I just avoid those environments, if at all possible.