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I think you are conflating the relatively recent dominance of nationalism with the existence of states. Well defined states with foreign policies, governing sy
by mathinpens 8y ago
I think you are conflating the relatively recent dominance of nationalism with the existence of states.
Well defined states with foreign policies, governing systems, monopolies on the legitimate use of force, regulations, taxation etc etc have existed for thousands of years... we can go back to egypt vs kush vs the hittes. I think those were probably 'states'.
The greek city-states were DEFINITELY `states'.
States have existed for a while. And I think some of these states had well defined borders meant to interdict and restrict human movement. The roman empire definitely was pretty pre-occupied with border control/walls-see hadrian's wall.
The idea that states should have the consent of the governed or reflect a relatively homogeneous ethnic block with ties of common culture/history is more modern. which is probably what you are thinking of when you say `nation state'.
- avn2109 8y ago>> "...reflect a relatively homogeneous ethnic block with ties of common culture/history is more modern." On the contrary, the idea of "each tribe on its own territory, with perpetual low-intensity border disputes between all neighbors" is literally the oldest possible social arrangement.
- mathinpens 8y agoyes but we assign a huge normative value to this arrangement. I think that idea is more modern.