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> VW haven't even been fined for cheating on their emissions test. Exec has been fined and sentenced to 7 years[0] VW have been fined $2.8B[1] [0] https://ars

> VW haven't even been fined for cheating on their emissions test. Exec has been fined and sentenced to 7 years[0] VW have been fined $2.8B[1] [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/judge-sentences-volkswagen-executive-to-7-years-in-prison-plus-a-fine/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/judge-sentences-... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/judge-approves-largest-fine-u-s-history-volkswagen-n749406 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/judge-approves-larges...

lajhsdfkl 8y ago
By the US and 2.8B is a fraction of what they deserved to be fined. All VW execs should be in prison for the rest of their lives for what they have done.
- paulddraper 8y ago
  > All VW execs should be in prison for the rest of their lives for what they have done. You must point to the laws violated. E.g. Schmidt made a false statement to the California Air Resources Board under the Clean Air Act. Trial in the court of opinion and mob lynching is not compatible with the Western tenements of law.
  - lajhsdfkl 8y ago
    >You must point to the laws violated. E.g. Schmidt made a false statement to the California Air Resources Board under the Clean Air Act. >Trial in the court of opinion and mob lynching is not compatible with the Western tenements of law. Stop trying to shift goalposts, my point is that if any company deserved to be fined 4% of global turnover it's VW and they have currently received a total of $0 in fines even though they have probably increased the likelihood of you getting cancer.
    - monkeynotes 8y ago
      I thought we established they received a non-zero dollar fine. Their annual profit is about $13BN, they were fined $2.8BN which is about 22%. I think that along with imprisoning an exec that was complicit in the lie is a significant and reasonable deterrent/punishment. As for VW significantly increasing the likelihood of any given arbitrary citizen getting cancer I'd love to see the numbers on that. Sounds like hyperbole to me[0] [0] http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/06/14/diesel-fumes-definitely-cause-cancer-should-we-be-worried/ http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/06/14/diesel-fu...
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Is that a bigger offence than „losing over 1400 migrant children” under an official governmental US programme, „some returned to child traffickers”? https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/05/22/immigration-children-separate-families-lost-kirstjen-nielson/631627002/ https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018...
  - lajhsdfkl 8y ago
    And how is this related?
    - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
      I guess it isn’t. There are laws which US considers to be broken by external entities, yet US introduces a comletely inhumane programme worth of DPRK. Where’s the logic.
      - hellowrld2 8y ago
        Can you please go away with your whataboutism?
        rad_gruchalski 8y ago
        Sure. But please remind me, how did we end up with VW case on a GDPR topic in the first place?
        hellowrld2 8y ago
        The original poster believes software should be regulated like cars. I pointed out that the fines for violating gdpr are larger than any fine VW will ever receive from the EU for literally killing people.

lajhsdfkl 8y ago

By the US and 2.8B is a fraction of what they deserved to be fined. All VW execs should be in prison for the rest of their lives for what they have done.

paulddraper 8y ago
> All VW execs should be in prison for the rest of their lives for what they have done. You must point to the laws violated. E.g. Schmidt made a false statement to the California Air Resources Board under the Clean Air Act. Trial in the court of opinion and mob lynching is not compatible with the Western tenements of law.
- lajhsdfkl 8y ago
  >You must point to the laws violated. E.g. Schmidt made a false statement to the California Air Resources Board under the Clean Air Act. >Trial in the court of opinion and mob lynching is not compatible with the Western tenements of law. Stop trying to shift goalposts, my point is that if any company deserved to be fined 4% of global turnover it's VW and they have currently received a total of $0 in fines even though they have probably increased the likelihood of you getting cancer.
  - monkeynotes 8y ago
    I thought we established they received a non-zero dollar fine. Their annual profit is about $13BN, they were fined $2.8BN which is about 22%. I think that along with imprisoning an exec that was complicit in the lie is a significant and reasonable deterrent/punishment. As for VW significantly increasing the likelihood of any given arbitrary citizen getting cancer I'd love to see the numbers on that. Sounds like hyperbole to me[0] [0] http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/06/14/diesel-fumes-definitely-cause-cancer-should-we-be-worried/ http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/06/14/diesel-fu...
rad_gruchalski 8y ago
Is that a bigger offence than „losing over 1400 migrant children” under an official governmental US programme, „some returned to child traffickers”? https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/05/22/immigration-children-separate-families-lost-kirstjen-nielson/631627002/ https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018...
- lajhsdfkl 8y ago
  And how is this related?
  - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
    I guess it isn’t. There are laws which US considers to be broken by external entities, yet US introduces a comletely inhumane programme worth of DPRK. Where’s the logic.
    - hellowrld2 8y ago
      Can you please go away with your whataboutism?
      - rad_gruchalski 8y ago
        Sure. But please remind me, how did we end up with VW case on a GDPR topic in the first place?
        hellowrld2 8y ago
        The original poster believes software should be regulated like cars. I pointed out that the fines for violating gdpr are larger than any fine VW will ever receive from the EU for literally killing people.