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I dislike blog post 'responses', because it's the equivalent of two people shouting past each other. As the author of this blog post notes, there are good resp

I dislike blog post 'responses', because it's the equivalent of two people shouting past each other. As the author of this blog post notes, there are good responses in the /r/programming comments[0]. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8lmnl2/from_java_to_kotlin_and_back_again/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8lmnl2/from_ja...

_bxg1 8y ago
Yeah. Like the original post, this one made some points of value, but interspersed with pettiness. "You've just complained about using : for type declarations a couple paragraphs ago." That was for a totally different use-case. I'm pretty sure he wasn't offended by the literal character ":".
endorphone 8y ago
Both are speaking to an audience, and the point/retort approach is how most reasoned discussions occur, and how we move forward. Some see them as confrontational, and thus unsavory, which is unfortunate.
- colonelxc 8y ago
  We can also have reasoned discussions directly with each other (as you and I are here). Here we may have an audience of other forum members, but the same audience can see the same back and forth (and contribute). In my opinion, the 'speaking to an audience' via indirect blog posts doesn't really help us move forward as much as direct discussions do. Since we already had thorough discussions about this topic both here and on reddit, I don't see the value in this post. I will admit that this type of indirect conversation isn't without its uses though. For one, I don't think the original blog author participated in the discussions here or on reddit. So our discussion boards were also indirectly attacking that post, without much room for the author to respond. Similarly, it's impossible to have a discussion with everyone you disagree with. Sometimes the best you can do is state your opinions, and let people consider them as they will. I guess a better statement I could have said earlier is that we already have a forum (right here) for discussion of articles, and we don't need the disconnected responses-via-blogposts, because we can just discuss things normally here.
sdhgaiojfsa 8y ago
I would say the "shouting at eachother" vibe comes more from the snarkiness of this post's content. I enjoyed it, but I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea.
kodablah 8y ago
Also, for others that missed it, here's the HN discussion on the original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17137073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17137073 (I find the discussion a bit better)

_bxg1 8y ago

Yeah. Like the original post, this one made some points of value, but interspersed with pettiness. "You've just complained about using : for type declarations a couple paragraphs ago." That was for a totally different use-case. I'm pretty sure he wasn't offended by the literal character ":".

endorphone 8y ago

Both are speaking to an audience, and the point/retort approach is how most reasoned discussions occur, and how we move forward. Some see them as confrontational, and thus unsavory, which is unfortunate.

colonelxc 8y ago
We can also have reasoned discussions directly with each other (as you and I are here). Here we may have an audience of other forum members, but the same audience can see the same back and forth (and contribute). In my opinion, the 'speaking to an audience' via indirect blog posts doesn't really help us move forward as much as direct discussions do. Since we already had thorough discussions about this topic both here and on reddit, I don't see the value in this post. I will admit that this type of indirect conversation isn't without its uses though. For one, I don't think the original blog author participated in the discussions here or on reddit. So our discussion boards were also indirectly attacking that post, without much room for the author to respond. Similarly, it's impossible to have a discussion with everyone you disagree with. Sometimes the best you can do is state your opinions, and let people consider them as they will. I guess a better statement I could have said earlier is that we already have a forum (right here) for discussion of articles, and we don't need the disconnected responses-via-blogposts, because we can just discuss things normally here.

sdhgaiojfsa 8y ago

I would say the "shouting at eachother" vibe comes more from the snarkiness of this post's content. I enjoyed it, but I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea.

kodablah 8y ago

Also, for others that missed it, here's the HN discussion on the original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17137073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17137073 (I find the discussion a bit better)