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I would be cautious to make health related reading recommendations where the book comes from 1922 and was on a reading list of a man who was rejecting science b

I would be cautious to make health related reading recommendations where the book comes from 1922 and was on a reading list of a man who was rejecting science based medication for his serious sickness until it was too late.

andreygrehov 8y ago
Good point. The problem is that Steve Jobs ignored Ehret’s concept of a “transition diet,” and became taken with the idea of being a fruit-only eater right away.
- stevehawk 8y ago
  I thought the problem was that he ignored getting treated for cancer and died?
  - andreygrehov 8y ago
    No way?! How confident are you? Anyways, I mentioned Steve Jobs just as an interesting fact. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't personally believe that anybody should be cautious recommending a book. It's a whole separate topic, but in short, can't help one if he's stupid enough to try whatever is on the internet, but I'm glad to share useful information with the smarter one. Otherwise there is no neither progress nor evolution.
    - fmihaila 8y ago
      > No way?! How confident are you? Not just confident, but certain. From Jobs's authorized biography: To the horror of his friends and wife, Jobs decided not to have surgery to remove the tumor, which was the only accepted medical approach. "I really didn't want them to open up my body, so I tried to see if a few other things would work," he told me years later with a hint of regret. Specifically, he kept to a strict vegan diet, with large quantities of fresh carrot and fruit juices. To that regimen he added acupuncture, a variety of herbal remedies, and occasionally a few other treatments he found on the Internet or by consulting people around the country, including a psychic. For a while he was under the sway of a doctor who operated a natural healing clinic in southern California that stressed the use of organic herbs, juice fasts, frequent bowel cleansings, hydrotherapy, and the expression of all negative feelings. [...] His friends repeatedly urged him to have surgery and chemotherapy. "Steve talked to me when he was trying to cure himself by eating horseshit and horseshit roots, and I told him he was crazy," Grove recalled. Levinson said that he "pleaded every day" with Jobs and found it "enormously frustrating that I just couldn't connect with him." The fights almost ruined their friendship. "That's not how cancer works," Levinson insisted when Jobs discussed his diet treatments. "You cannot solve this without surgery and blasting it with toxic chemicals." Even the diet doctor Dean Ornish, a pioneer in alternative and nutritional methods of treating diseases, took a long walk with Jobs and insisted that sometimes traditional methods were the right option. "You really need surgery," Ornish told him. Jobs's obstinacy lasted for nine months after his October 2003 diagnosis. [...] In july 2004 a CAT scan showed that the tumor had grown and possibly spread. It forced him to face reality."
      - andreygrehov 8y ago
        I read the book. It was a sarcastic comment. My point is that the reason why he died doesn't necessarily have to be linked with the Mucusless Diet Healing System, especially knowing that he didn't follow all the recommendations from the said book. The reason I made my original comment is because the benefits of fasting described in the submission are known for almost 100 years now (to a certain extent) and one may find it interesting to know where the roots are coming from.
        fmihaila 8y ago
        > I read the book. It was a sarcastic comment. Your sarcasm was misplaced. You stated that "the problem is that Steve Jobs ignored Ehret’s concept of a “transition diet,” and became taken with the idea of being a fruit-only eater right away." That was not the problem at all, as @stevehawk stated and my quote proves. You are pushing a pseudo-scientific book from 100 years ago and mentioned Jobs's name to enhance the recommendation's credibility. Jobs's belief in pseudoscience cost him his life. > The reason I made my original comment is because the benefits of fasting described in the submission are known for almost 100 years now (to a certain extent) and one may find it interesting to know where the roots are coming from. And the history of modern chemistry traces back to the days of alchemy; it doesn't mean there is any deeper truth to be discovered by reading alchemy books today.
        andreygrehov 8y ago
        I was wrong saying "the problem is", whereas what I should have said instead is that he didn't even follow the book, so there is no reason to avoid an interesting read. > And the history of modern chemistry traces back to the days of alchemy; it doesn't mean there is any deeper truth to be discovered by reading alchemy books today. You don't need a deeper truth, but be aware why the believed truth is truth, ie seeing the problem from all the angles. You don't know what you don't know.

andreygrehov 8y ago

Good point. The problem is that Steve Jobs ignored Ehret’s concept of a “transition diet,” and became taken with the idea of being a fruit-only eater right away.

stevehawk 8y ago
I thought the problem was that he ignored getting treated for cancer and died?
- andreygrehov 8y ago
  No way?! How confident are you? Anyways, I mentioned Steve Jobs just as an interesting fact. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't personally believe that anybody should be cautious recommending a book. It's a whole separate topic, but in short, can't help one if he's stupid enough to try whatever is on the internet, but I'm glad to share useful information with the smarter one. Otherwise there is no neither progress nor evolution.
  - fmihaila 8y ago
    > No way?! How confident are you? Not just confident, but certain. From Jobs's authorized biography: To the horror of his friends and wife, Jobs decided not to have surgery to remove the tumor, which was the only accepted medical approach. "I really didn't want them to open up my body, so I tried to see if a few other things would work," he told me years later with a hint of regret. Specifically, he kept to a strict vegan diet, with large quantities of fresh carrot and fruit juices. To that regimen he added acupuncture, a variety of herbal remedies, and occasionally a few other treatments he found on the Internet or by consulting people around the country, including a psychic. For a while he was under the sway of a doctor who operated a natural healing clinic in southern California that stressed the use of organic herbs, juice fasts, frequent bowel cleansings, hydrotherapy, and the expression of all negative feelings. [...] His friends repeatedly urged him to have surgery and chemotherapy. "Steve talked to me when he was trying to cure himself by eating horseshit and horseshit roots, and I told him he was crazy," Grove recalled. Levinson said that he "pleaded every day" with Jobs and found it "enormously frustrating that I just couldn't connect with him." The fights almost ruined their friendship. "That's not how cancer works," Levinson insisted when Jobs discussed his diet treatments. "You cannot solve this without surgery and blasting it with toxic chemicals." Even the diet doctor Dean Ornish, a pioneer in alternative and nutritional methods of treating diseases, took a long walk with Jobs and insisted that sometimes traditional methods were the right option. "You really need surgery," Ornish told him. Jobs's obstinacy lasted for nine months after his October 2003 diagnosis. [...] In july 2004 a CAT scan showed that the tumor had grown and possibly spread. It forced him to face reality."
    - andreygrehov 8y ago
      I read the book. It was a sarcastic comment. My point is that the reason why he died doesn't necessarily have to be linked with the Mucusless Diet Healing System, especially knowing that he didn't follow all the recommendations from the said book. The reason I made my original comment is because the benefits of fasting described in the submission are known for almost 100 years now (to a certain extent) and one may find it interesting to know where the roots are coming from.
      - fmihaila 8y ago
        > I read the book. It was a sarcastic comment. Your sarcasm was misplaced. You stated that "the problem is that Steve Jobs ignored Ehret’s concept of a “transition diet,” and became taken with the idea of being a fruit-only eater right away." That was not the problem at all, as @stevehawk stated and my quote proves. You are pushing a pseudo-scientific book from 100 years ago and mentioned Jobs's name to enhance the recommendation's credibility. Jobs's belief in pseudoscience cost him his life. > The reason I made my original comment is because the benefits of fasting described in the submission are known for almost 100 years now (to a certain extent) and one may find it interesting to know where the roots are coming from. And the history of modern chemistry traces back to the days of alchemy; it doesn't mean there is any deeper truth to be discovered by reading alchemy books today.
        andreygrehov 8y ago
        I was wrong saying "the problem is", whereas what I should have said instead is that he didn't even follow the book, so there is no reason to avoid an interesting read. > And the history of modern chemistry traces back to the days of alchemy; it doesn't mean there is any deeper truth to be discovered by reading alchemy books today. You don't need a deeper truth, but be aware why the believed truth is truth, ie seeing the problem from all the angles. You don't know what you don't know.