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And that it isn't even an option to recognize a bad law and repeal it, even if it had good intentions, speaks volumes.

mrtksn 8y ago
As an EU citizen, I don't think the law is bad but you are free to be upset about it, of course. Please respect our laws and privacy or don't do business with us. We will be very sorry if your product is irreplaceable or we will use a competing product that complies with GDPR.
- kodablah 8y ago
  I didn't say the law was bad, I was saying if it turns out to be, repealing it should be an option. Too often there is no going back from these things because it's not considered an option. Instead only options like revolt, go elsewhere or use a VPN are presented. Obviously the last incarnation of the GDPR didn't work for multiple reasons, the most oft-cited one being non-enforcement. Was the option to repeal and take other approaches to the problem considered? Nope...double down. Since people agree with the intent, the approach often appears above reproach.
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    Of course, it is an option, the problem is that you claim not to be and you claim that "the EU and GDPR proponents' mindsets make a lot more sense" because I asked a question to emphasize the "test" on the EU citizens. I see you're in Texas. Don't worry too much about EU, we are doing fine. We will figure this thing out if it turns out to be more bad than good.
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  Please respect our laws and privacy or don't do business with us. Stop sending us your data and money? I don’t leave the US to deal with EU customers. You send requests to my server in the US. If you’re unhappy with me, stop doing that. And it’s pretty rich to complain about companies not complying and leaving the market, while also using VPNs to use their service anyway. Apparently protecting your data isn’t as important as you say?
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    I haven't been given an option not to make calls to your servers, those websites used to load 20 tracking scripts without asking me. Thanks to the GDPR now I will be able to stop sending requests. What's the problem? See, how browsers work is that they load this thing called HTML that describes the content and can load other stuff without asking me. Apologies if I accidentally sent any data or money, it wasn't my call. It was in the HTML that I loaded because I was offered to view a free article.
    - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
      If it’s your right to use an adblocker under the theory that you should control what requests your browser makes from your device, then which requests it makes are also your responsibility. Regardless, whether you intended to send my server a request is your problem. The fact is that you did, and that hardly gives full control of my business to whatever legal jurisdictions claim you as their subject.
      - mrtksn 8y ago
        Well, as it turns out, it's your problem. Like, literally :) Anyway, don't be too upset about all this. The law is not banning you from collecting my data, you just need to be explicit and informative about it so that I can decide if I am going to send a request to your servers. I'm often disturbed by the mindset that people are some business' god given a right to exploitation. It's the other way around really, that is, if you can find a way to serve me or solve a problem of mine I might choose to do a business with you if I decide that the compensation you demand fair. If your business is unprofitable when you have to ask me for permission in plain English maybe it simply means that you don't have a profitable Business and you should consider doing something else. We don't see business people complaining that government regulations are hurting their organ harvesting businesses, right? People decided that they don't want other people to sell their kidneys on open markets, so that business doesn't exist. People at some point decided that they don't want to get cancer from Asbestos, regulations kicked in and the Asbestos businesses were destroyed. This time around people seem to be in control of their data, if that makes your business unprofitable or impossible do what others did: Something else.
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As an EU citizen, I don't think the law is bad but you are free to be upset about it, of course. Please respect our laws and privacy or don't do business with us. We will be very sorry if your product is irreplaceable or we will use a competing product that complies with GDPR.

kodablah 8y ago
I didn't say the law was bad, I was saying if it turns out to be, repealing it should be an option. Too often there is no going back from these things because it's not considered an option. Instead only options like revolt, go elsewhere or use a VPN are presented. Obviously the last incarnation of the GDPR didn't work for multiple reasons, the most oft-cited one being non-enforcement. Was the option to repeal and take other approaches to the problem considered? Nope...double down. Since people agree with the intent, the approach often appears above reproach.
- mrtksn 8y ago
  Of course, it is an option, the problem is that you claim not to be and you claim that "the EU and GDPR proponents' mindsets make a lot more sense" because I asked a question to emphasize the "test" on the EU citizens. I see you're in Texas. Don't worry too much about EU, we are doing fine. We will figure this thing out if it turns out to be more bad than good.
ryanwaggoner 8y ago
Please respect our laws and privacy or don't do business with us. Stop sending us your data and money? I don’t leave the US to deal with EU customers. You send requests to my server in the US. If you’re unhappy with me, stop doing that. And it’s pretty rich to complain about companies not complying and leaving the market, while also using VPNs to use their service anyway. Apparently protecting your data isn’t as important as you say?
- mrtksn 8y ago
  I haven't been given an option not to make calls to your servers, those websites used to load 20 tracking scripts without asking me. Thanks to the GDPR now I will be able to stop sending requests. What's the problem? See, how browsers work is that they load this thing called HTML that describes the content and can load other stuff without asking me. Apologies if I accidentally sent any data or money, it wasn't my call. It was in the HTML that I loaded because I was offered to view a free article.
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    If it’s your right to use an adblocker under the theory that you should control what requests your browser makes from your device, then which requests it makes are also your responsibility. Regardless, whether you intended to send my server a request is your problem. The fact is that you did, and that hardly gives full control of my business to whatever legal jurisdictions claim you as their subject.
    - mrtksn 8y ago
      Well, as it turns out, it's your problem. Like, literally :) Anyway, don't be too upset about all this. The law is not banning you from collecting my data, you just need to be explicit and informative about it so that I can decide if I am going to send a request to your servers. I'm often disturbed by the mindset that people are some business' god given a right to exploitation. It's the other way around really, that is, if you can find a way to serve me or solve a problem of mine I might choose to do a business with you if I decide that the compensation you demand fair. If your business is unprofitable when you have to ask me for permission in plain English maybe it simply means that you don't have a profitable Business and you should consider doing something else. We don't see business people complaining that government regulations are hurting their organ harvesting businesses, right? People decided that they don't want other people to sell their kidneys on open markets, so that business doesn't exist. People at some point decided that they don't want to get cancer from Asbestos, regulations kicked in and the Asbestos businesses were destroyed. This time around people seem to be in control of their data, if that makes your business unprofitable or impossible do what others did: Something else.

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