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> the result will probably be that a lot of free websites ban EU users Good riddance, at least we know what websites we shouldn't have visited in the first pla

by voidr 8y ago

> the result will probably be that a lot of free websites ban EU users Good riddance, at least we know what websites we shouldn't have visited in the first place. > smaller companies take their place with products that either cost money or will be a bit worse. Or they will be better and still be free. News companies are dying, news is commodity, if I can't read something on the LA times, I'm sure I'll find that same article on some other news site. > small competitors will be to afraid of the law and shut EU users out It's not a complicated piece of legislation, the short version is this simple: only collect data you actually need on your user to offer your service and be prepared to explain why, that's basically it. > But we as a society are willing to accept that if the result is that more loans will be "reasonable". The actual reason is that if you don't limit the loans, your economy will collapse.

ghaff 8y ago
>News companies are dying, news is commodity, if I can't read something on the LA times, I'm sure I'll find that same article on some other news site. Or the original news simply ceases to exist as is already happening at the local level in many cases. There's probably a continuing market for some global news organizations that are at least muddling through with subscriptions and other products. (Or not. See story on Time Inc. recently.) But I suspect the non-national/international journalism will continue to decline.
rdlecler1 8y ago
You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive—a high bar for a free product..... Obviously you haven’t had to deal with GDPR compliance.
- voidr 8y ago
  > You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? If they are not collecting any personal data, there is no hassle. Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? > Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive Citation needed. > a high bar for a free product The product is not really free because users pay for it with their data, which was unclear before. > Obviously you haven’t had to deal with GDPR compliance. Obviously from what? Are you a GDPR compliance expert?
  - lajhsdfkl 8y ago
    >Obviously from what? Are you a GDPR compliance expert? You don't need to be a GDPR compliance expert to know that the costs of implementing GDPR are huge and I doubt any GDPR experts actually even exist today.
    - whatev3r 8y ago
      > You don't need to be a GDPR compliance expert to know that the costs of implementing GDPR are huge So you don't actually know anything, but you are going to pretend to know that it's "huge". > I doubt any GDPR experts actually even exist today Then why be so condescending and pretend that you are actually one?
      - rdlecler1 8y ago
        You only have had to gone through the implementation challenges personally to know that it’s hard and the costs (to do it by the letter) are high. In fact to do it by the letter you’re going to have to hire a law firm to ensure you’re compliant and they’re going to err on the side of caution and take you down a rabbit hole of implementation changes.
        whatev3r 8y ago
        Can you give me a concrete example where the GDPR forces you to do a lot of relatively costly stuff that are not worth doing otherwise?
        rdlecler1 8y ago
        I did. First hire a lawyer to review your GDPR compliance and recommend changes, and also set up an EU representative who can assume liability.
  - wilsonnb 8y ago
    > Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? Ah yes, the old "all regulations are equal" argument. It should come as no surprise to you that people view safety regulations on automobiles as vastly different than regulations on what a company can do with data about you.
merinowool 8y ago
Website could be compliant already, but don't want to spend money on an audit that would still be inconclusive as there is no official interpretation of the law.

by voidr 8y ago

ghaff 8y ago

>News companies are dying, news is commodity, if I can't read something on the LA times, I'm sure I'll find that same article on some other news site. Or the original news simply ceases to exist as is already happening at the local level in many cases. There's probably a continuing market for some global news organizations that are at least muddling through with subscriptions and other products. (Or not. See story on Time Inc. recently.) But I suspect the non-national/international journalism will continue to decline.

rdlecler1 8y ago

You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive—a high bar for a free product..... Obviously you haven’t had to deal with GDPR compliance.

voidr 8y ago
> You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? If they are not collecting any personal data, there is no hassle. Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? > Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive Citation needed. > a high bar for a free product The product is not really free because users pay for it with their data, which was unclear before. > Obviously you haven’t had to deal with GDPR compliance. Obviously from what? Are you a GDPR compliance expert?
- lajhsdfkl 8y ago
  >Obviously from what? Are you a GDPR compliance expert? You don't need to be a GDPR compliance expert to know that the costs of implementing GDPR are huge and I doubt any GDPR experts actually even exist today.
  - whatev3r 8y ago
    > You don't need to be a GDPR compliance expert to know that the costs of implementing GDPR are huge So you don't actually know anything, but you are going to pretend to know that it's "huge". > I doubt any GDPR experts actually even exist today Then why be so condescending and pretend that you are actually one?
    - rdlecler1 8y ago
      You only have had to gone through the implementation challenges personally to know that it’s hard and the costs (to do it by the letter) are high. In fact to do it by the letter you’re going to have to hire a law firm to ensure you’re compliant and they’re going to err on the side of caution and take you down a rabbit hole of implementation changes.
      - whatev3r 8y ago
        Can you give me a concrete example where the GDPR forces you to do a lot of relatively costly stuff that are not worth doing otherwise?
        rdlecler1 8y ago
        I did. First hire a lawyer to review your GDPR compliance and recommend changes, and also set up an EU representative who can assume liability.
- wilsonnb 8y ago
  > Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? Ah yes, the old "all regulations are equal" argument. It should come as no surprise to you that people view safety regulations on automobiles as vastly different than regulations on what a company can do with data about you.

merinowool 8y ago

Website could be compliant already, but don't want to spend money on an audit that would still be inconclusive as there is no official interpretation of the law.