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Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use. "Microsoft has not made the browser

Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use. "Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guidelines" https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4624706/google-blocks-window-phone-youtube-app https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4624706/google-blocks-win... My impression was Microsoft being arrogant. Besides, Windows 8/10 users could still access YT via web.

jrs95 8y ago
Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.
- fron 8y ago
  I don't blame anyone if they don't want to support Edge/IE. Microsoft's browsers are horrible to develop for. Personally I'd be much happier if more of my users would switch to Chrome.
  - jenscow 8y ago
    I understand how you feel, but no. Having been a FF/NS/Mozilla browser user since the 90s, I know it's not nice to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. However, unlike the current Edge/IE users, I made a choice.
    - beagle3 8y ago
      The IE/Edge users also made a choice. Not voting is a choice. Not educating yourself is a choice. Choices have consequences.
  - noxToken 8y ago
    I haven't tried to write extensions for Edge or anything like that, but have you recently developed for Edge or even IE11? I've run into a few minor warts (minor as in a 5-minutes fix) with IE11, but it's been smooth sailing with Edge. Mobile FireFox has comparatively been a nightmare in spite of MDN's wonderful docs.
    - jrs95 8y ago
      Edge extensions use the same new standard as Firefox, it shouldn’t be that bad.
- jenscow 8y ago
  Your gripe with Google can be firmly applied to Microsoft. However, I believe this instance was more a case of Microsoft scraping/ripping the youtube site, rather than continuing to collaborate with Google. I'm sure if you or I did something like that, it would be blocked.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  Same behaviour as Microsoft was punished for 15 years or so ago. I really (at least used to) like Google but as a web developer/user who cares about competition who cares about the web ecosystem I'm starting to hope that relevant EU and US authorities will issue them a non-trivial fine for: - intentionally working to destroy the third option on mobile phones as described above - time and time again make their products feel slow in competing browsers - abuse their position as the worlds most visited (?) website && ad reseller to advertise their own browser in a misleading way
- vorpalhex 8y ago
  For some products this makes sense, because Edge has made some questionable choices to either not support some standards, or have their own flavor of them (see WebRTC). No offense, but I won't support Edge on some stuff I build because very few people use it, and it's too much of a snowflake in some areas. Note that this doesn't apply to general apps and sites, which should work with Edge more or less out of the box. I'm speaking specifically to cases where the Edge team has decided to ignore a standard and choose their business priorities over consistency.

jrs95 8y ago

Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.

fron 8y ago
I don't blame anyone if they don't want to support Edge/IE. Microsoft's browsers are horrible to develop for. Personally I'd be much happier if more of my users would switch to Chrome.
- jenscow 8y ago
  I understand how you feel, but no. Having been a FF/NS/Mozilla browser user since the 90s, I know it's not nice to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. However, unlike the current Edge/IE users, I made a choice.
  - beagle3 8y ago
    The IE/Edge users also made a choice. Not voting is a choice. Not educating yourself is a choice. Choices have consequences.
- noxToken 8y ago
  I haven't tried to write extensions for Edge or anything like that, but have you recently developed for Edge or even IE11? I've run into a few minor warts (minor as in a 5-minutes fix) with IE11, but it's been smooth sailing with Edge. Mobile FireFox has comparatively been a nightmare in spite of MDN's wonderful docs.
  - jrs95 8y ago
    Edge extensions use the same new standard as Firefox, it shouldn’t be that bad.
jenscow 8y ago
Your gripe with Google can be firmly applied to Microsoft. However, I believe this instance was more a case of Microsoft scraping/ripping the youtube site, rather than continuing to collaborate with Google. I'm sure if you or I did something like that, it would be blocked.
reitanqild 8y ago
Same behaviour as Microsoft was punished for 15 years or so ago. I really (at least used to) like Google but as a web developer/user who cares about competition who cares about the web ecosystem I'm starting to hope that relevant EU and US authorities will issue them a non-trivial fine for: - intentionally working to destroy the third option on mobile phones as described above - time and time again make their products feel slow in competing browsers - abuse their position as the worlds most visited (?) website && ad reseller to advertise their own browser in a misleading way
vorpalhex 8y ago
For some products this makes sense, because Edge has made some questionable choices to either not support some standards, or have their own flavor of them (see WebRTC). No offense, but I won't support Edge on some stuff I build because very few people use it, and it's too much of a snowflake in some areas. Note that this doesn't apply to general apps and sites, which should work with Edge more or less out of the box. I'm speaking specifically to cases where the Edge team has decided to ignore a standard and choose their business priorities over consistency.