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"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-products-from-google-20

by tramGG 8y ago

"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-products-from-google-2018-3 http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

23443463455 8y ago
Surprise??? I’ve been basically tarred and feathered for years for suggesting that dear cult leaders {fill in the techtalitarian tech company of choice} are threats to competition and actual diversity and competition and even all of humanity. These tech companies are essentially the reincarnation of the same impulses for control and utopian psychosis that the socialists called Nazis, the Communists called Soviets, and the theocrats called Islam are. It’s essentially just repackaging and rebranding, because the product is still rotten under the package. People are even cheering them on just like the propagandized and bamboozled masses do and did at other times. Unfortunately, this time there will be no America to stop the authoritarian impulses from overrunning the free world, as America itself is succumbing to the infestation. Soon enough we will all experience what it is that true Americans died to prevent when we are tricked by our cure illusion into stopping our freedom meds and the manic authoritarianis that invariably ends in mass homicide of one form or another takes over.
pookeh 8y ago
Or even like this "Yelp And TripAdvisor Team Up To Pile On Google Over Search Monopoly" https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/yelp-and-tripadvisor-team-up-to-pile-on-google-over-search-monopoly/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/yelp-and-tripadvisor-team...
ensignavenger 8y ago
I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  Alright, then how about removing Adblock from their stores? Android is a little better, but it's by no means totally free.
  - 013a 8y ago
    You can install android apps or chrome extensions from any source, not just the Google-managed store. This sounds minor, but its absolutely a major reason why the stores aren't monopolies. I find it startling how few people on HN remember the fact that stores have a right to decide what they want to sell and not. We don't live in communist Russia. Walmart doesn't have to sell Whole Foods-branded food, H&M doesn't have to sell Mossimo clothes, Amazon doesn't have to sell Nest thermostats, Apple doesn't have to sell Pixel devices in their stores, and Google doesn't have to sell Adblocking software. In every single one of these cases, its because the companies managing the stores have a business interest against selling the items. Apple's case is different in a significant way. When they block a product from their store, they establish that none of the users on their systems are able to get the item legally. However, they can still use the argument that iOS is only one platform among any mobile platforms, they don't have a massive marketshare, and they aren't taking any actions in the realm of mobile platform adoption which could be construed as hostile against competition.
    - emodendroket 8y ago
      If you're willing not only to download sideload apps but also to modify your device so you can have root access, then it works. So not really different from Apple.
      - cblades 8y ago
        This is absolutely not the case. I can install any app-store app I'd like, and it can install apps on my phone. I can even download raw apk file and install them myself.
        8y ago

by tramGG 8y ago

23443463455 8y ago

Surprise??? I’ve been basically tarred and feathered for years for suggesting that dear cult leaders {fill in the techtalitarian tech company of choice} are threats to competition and actual diversity and competition and even all of humanity. These tech companies are essentially the reincarnation of the same impulses for control and utopian psychosis that the socialists called Nazis, the Communists called Soviets, and the theocrats called Islam are. It’s essentially just repackaging and rebranding, because the product is still rotten under the package. People are even cheering them on just like the propagandized and bamboozled masses do and did at other times. Unfortunately, this time there will be no America to stop the authoritarian impulses from overrunning the free world, as America itself is succumbing to the infestation. Soon enough we will all experience what it is that true Americans died to prevent when we are tricked by our cure illusion into stopping our freedom meds and the manic authoritarianis that invariably ends in mass homicide of one form or another takes over.

pookeh 8y ago

Or even like this "Yelp And TripAdvisor Team Up To Pile On Google Over Search Monopoly" https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/yelp-and-tripadvisor-team-up-to-pile-on-google-over-search-monopoly/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/yelp-and-tripadvisor-team...

ensignavenger 8y ago

I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.

emodendroket 8y ago
Alright, then how about removing Adblock from their stores? Android is a little better, but it's by no means totally free.
- 013a 8y ago
  You can install android apps or chrome extensions from any source, not just the Google-managed store. This sounds minor, but its absolutely a major reason why the stores aren't monopolies. I find it startling how few people on HN remember the fact that stores have a right to decide what they want to sell and not. We don't live in communist Russia. Walmart doesn't have to sell Whole Foods-branded food, H&M doesn't have to sell Mossimo clothes, Amazon doesn't have to sell Nest thermostats, Apple doesn't have to sell Pixel devices in their stores, and Google doesn't have to sell Adblocking software. In every single one of these cases, its because the companies managing the stores have a business interest against selling the items. Apple's case is different in a significant way. When they block a product from their store, they establish that none of the users on their systems are able to get the item legally. However, they can still use the argument that iOS is only one platform among any mobile platforms, they don't have a massive marketshare, and they aren't taking any actions in the realm of mobile platform adoption which could be construed as hostile against competition.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    If you're willing not only to download sideload apps but also to modify your device so you can have root access, then it works. So not really different from Apple.
    - cblades 8y ago
      This is absolutely not the case. I can install any app-store app I'd like, and it can install apps on my phone. I can even download raw apk file and install them myself.
      - 8y ago