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Submit a complaint. You didn't accept the terms, and they breached GDPR by not offering an alternative without tracking.

criley2 8y ago
This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying. Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessing an american server in violation of the terms of use is an American felony) because if it is now illegal in Europe for Euro freeloaders to implicitly pay for the content they view, then why let the free people in? Sounds like its time for a new library for sites that are available free worldwide where we switch to a subscription/pay/lockout only model for European customers. If you can't monetize on ads by law, then, time to start charging for access at the front door, right?
- Maarten88 8y ago
  > Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. Well, too bad, that business model has just become illegal in EU. Publishers will have to make do with old style banners or ads. They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. ... or get consent in a compliant way. Success with that!
  - criley2 8y ago
    Or Europeans will have to do with paygates and subscription fees. There is no "making due". These companies are run very thin already. There is already much less talent, much less pay, and much less quality than most of us would want. There is a breaking point for providing free content on the internet, and so many publishers are hitting it today WITH TRACKING. So many sites have moved to a X free per month with subscription, or just hard paywalls. Enjoy your subscription models, because there is no "making due" left, we've already used it all up.
    - krapp 8y ago
      >Enjoy your subscription models, because there is no "making due" left, we've already used it all up. Fair enough. Sites will either have to provide content worth subscribing to, or else go out of business, and users can still block advertising and tracking and users maintain control over their personal data. It's all win for the consumer.
    - salvar 8y ago
      If that happens, then everyone should be happy. Businesses who don't want to comply with the law can get out of that market and make way for others who do. Consumers have better data protections. Win win.
  - jrs95 8y ago
    But according to what some are saying they are apparently required to provide their content to everyone regardless of whether or not they consent? That’s why I have a problem with. They should be able to say that you must consent in order to use the site.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    > They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. Seems like a perfectly fair assumption to make given that the reader has actively chosen to read said content... Certainly moreso than repeatedly showing them ads for something they already bought weeks ago.
- salvar 8y ago
  > Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? Yes, I believe that was the stated purpose of the legislation.
  - criley2 8y ago
    Based on the entitled behavior in this thread, I seriously consider it. It it a cultural thing to feel entitled to other peoples work? Or just the agegroup of people on hacker news?
    - salvar 8y ago
      It's just a European thing. We want to get our hands on other peoples' work by any means possible. What can I say, it's just an evil continent with evil people.
      - dang 8y ago
        Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, so please don't do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - def_true_false 8y ago
      I'll let you in on a little secret. There are many people who will make content that's worth reading long after all the "businesses" that depend on running spyware on their users' hardware are dead. That's not to say that the verge is worth reading.
jrs95 8y ago
Wow at first I thought this sounded like a decent law but the more I see the shittier it seems

criley2 8y ago

This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying. Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessing an american server in violation of the terms of use is an American felony) because if it is now illegal in Europe for Euro freeloaders to implicitly pay for the content they view, then why let the free people in? Sounds like its time for a new library for sites that are available free worldwide where we switch to a subscription/pay/lockout only model for European customers. If you can't monetize on ads by law, then, time to start charging for access at the front door, right?

Maarten88 8y ago
> Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. Well, too bad, that business model has just become illegal in EU. Publishers will have to make do with old style banners or ads. They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. ... or get consent in a compliant way. Success with that!
- criley2 8y ago
  Or Europeans will have to do with paygates and subscription fees. There is no "making due". These companies are run very thin already. There is already much less talent, much less pay, and much less quality than most of us would want. There is a breaking point for providing free content on the internet, and so many publishers are hitting it today WITH TRACKING. So many sites have moved to a X free per month with subscription, or just hard paywalls. Enjoy your subscription models, because there is no "making due" left, we've already used it all up.
  - krapp 8y ago
    >Enjoy your subscription models, because there is no "making due" left, we've already used it all up. Fair enough. Sites will either have to provide content worth subscribing to, or else go out of business, and users can still block advertising and tracking and users maintain control over their personal data. It's all win for the consumer.
  - salvar 8y ago
    If that happens, then everyone should be happy. Businesses who don't want to comply with the law can get out of that market and make way for others who do. Consumers have better data protections. Win win.
- jrs95 8y ago
  But according to what some are saying they are apparently required to provide their content to everyone regardless of whether or not they consent? That’s why I have a problem with. They should be able to say that you must consent in order to use the site.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  > They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. Seems like a perfectly fair assumption to make given that the reader has actively chosen to read said content... Certainly moreso than repeatedly showing them ads for something they already bought weeks ago.
salvar 8y ago
> Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? Yes, I believe that was the stated purpose of the legislation.
- criley2 8y ago
  Based on the entitled behavior in this thread, I seriously consider it. It it a cultural thing to feel entitled to other peoples work? Or just the agegroup of people on hacker news?
  - salvar 8y ago
    It's just a European thing. We want to get our hands on other peoples' work by any means possible. What can I say, it's just an evil continent with evil people.
    - dang 8y ago
      Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, so please don't do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - def_true_false 8y ago
    I'll let you in on a little secret. There are many people who will make content that's worth reading long after all the "businesses" that depend on running spyware on their users' hardware are dead. That's not to say that the verge is worth reading.

jrs95 8y ago

Wow at first I thought this sounded like a decent law but the more I see the shittier it seems