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U.S. Websites Go Dark in Europe as GDPR Data Rules Kick In
- rekshaw 8y agoJust in case you're not a WSJ subscriber, use this to bypass the pay wall: https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fu-s-websites-go-dark-in-europe-as-gdpr-data-rules-kick-in-1527242038 https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Fa...
- huhtenberg 8y agoThis leads straight to the Facebook login form.
- jmiserez 8y agoThat just opens the page via a FB referral, basically this bookmarklet: javascript:window.location.href='https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u='+encodeURIComponent(window.location.href);
- MaxBarraclough 8y agoCan confirm. I tried the Archive.org copies, and I tried private browsing - not any better. Trying again now though, WSJ seems to be giving me the full article.
- hkchad 8y agoI find outline is easier and less icky than facebook, https://outline.com/KDybmC https://outline.com/KDybmC
- AhtiK 8y agoLooks like strictly specific to Tronc publishing, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronc#Newspapers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronc#Newspapers Anyone else blocking? Additionally, blocking access to the site that already has the data from the people of EU is violating GDPR more than simply keeping the site alive. GDPR is not about the data that is collected only after the May 25th.
- marksomnian 8y agoInstapaper
- elcapitan 8y agoThey're just temporarily down though.
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- codedokode 8y agoWhy block EU users instead of just disabling analytics and ads for them?
- Turing_Machine 8y agoBecause that would result in the EU users burning bandwidth and processor time without any offsetting revenue. I'd imagine that the cost of providing (say) the Los Angeles Times to the EU is non-trivial.
- bryanlarsen 8y agoThat doesn't make a political statement.
- letsgetphysITal 8y agoYet you can still get to tronc.com Their HTTPS implementation is broken, though; Cert common name wasn't set properly. GJ!
- efbb 8y agoPretty sure WSJ is non-compliant to GDPR by not providing the option for EU readers to opt out of their cookie policy, ironic that that will be a reason for Tronc blocking EU readers altogether.
- philfrasty 8y ago11 cookies for me
- downandout 8y agoGDPR doesn’t apply to WSJ or any other site that doesn’t “envisage” offering its services to users in the EU. See recital 23. Edit: apparently they accept EU currencies, which means they have subjected themselves to it.
- dekrg 8y agoWhat? It says the opposite - if you are providing services to EU residents outside of the EU GDPR applies to you. http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/recital-23-GDPR.htm http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/recital-23-GDPR.htm > In order to ensure that natural persons are not deprived of the protection to which they are entitled under this Regulation, the processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or a processor not established in the Union should be subject to this Regulation where the processing activities are related to offering goods or services to such data subjects irrespective of whether connected to a payment.
- downandout 8y agoYou completely ignored the relevant part of that recital: In order to determine whether such a controller or processor is offering goods or services to data subjects who are in the Union, it should be ascertained whether it is apparent that the controller or processor envisages offering services to data subjects in one or more Member States in the Union. Whereas the mere accessibility of the controller's, processor's or an intermediary's website in the Union, of an email address or of other contact details, or the use of a language generally used in the third country where the controller is established, is insufficient to ascertain such intention, factors such as the use of a language or a currency generally used in one or more Member States with the possibility of ordering goods and services in that other language, or the mentioning of customers or users who are in the Union, may make it apparent that the controller envisages offering goods or services to data subjects in the Union If you are not “offering goods or services to data subjects who are in the Union” then you are not subject to GDPR. As stated in the recital, the mere fact that a site is accessible from within the EU DOES NOT make it subject to GDPR. This recital tells you the test that is used to determine whether or not you are. It isn’t necessarily even required to block EU traffic to be immune from it, though it’s a good idea since you’re playing with fire. You simply can’t translate your site to EU only languages, create content or services that might appeal specifically to EU residents, etc. No targeting of EU residents = no GDPR liability.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago> We are engaged on the issue Dear Tronc, You had two years to comply. You are being ridiculous. Good luck with complying. EU Users
- Iv 8y agoAs a European who has many time been asked to comply with the various sillinesses coming from US legislators, I must say there is some strong schadenfreude on this current event. And for once, I think that the law that annoys everybody actually comes from a good intent (protecting users instead of profits)
- TimJYoung 8y agoYeah, I've got to agree on this point. Whenever I hear complaints from US citizens, I think to myself: imagine having your whole country need to learn another language in order to do business...we are very lucky that much of the world does business in English, and we are able to benefit greatly from that.
- y_molodtsov 8y agoAlmost nobody talked about it 2 years ago.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoExactly two years ago I was asked to prepare a list of all databases containing personal data that I have access to and briefly describe what I need them for. This was the moment my company started to prepare for the GDPR.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago> Aggressive potential penalties are likely to affect some business decisions. Aggressive user tracking and nonchalant attitude to users' personal data seems to be less problematic to them.
- mrleiter 8y agoThis regulation has been on its way for 2 years, and before that it was discussed extensively. Any big corporation not complying or making such a move as simply blocking EU users is ridiculous. Lobbying obviously didn't work so now they want users to revolt against EU lawmakers, or what is the endgoal here? There was enough time to comply, I find this behaviour unfair and short-sighted on the mid to long run.
- weddpros 8y ago"There was enough time to comply": how about I start up now, not 2 years ago? I will not have 2 years to implement all their nonsense. I can't wait until other countries/regions pass laws as stupid and coercitive as GDPR. "I find this behaviour unfair and short-sighted on the mid to long run": exactly what I'm thinking of Europe's decisions (I'm a french citizen, living abroad, not in EU). We should hang law makers when they pass legislation that affects everyone, for "crimes" without victims. In the mean time, people mutilate women yet nobody cares: cutting a few clitoris won't cost you a thousandth of what GDPR can cost you. You can safely continue to ignore the issue. Does the EU even know what Injustice is? or is it just blinded by ego and ideology. Thanks in advance for down-voting my not-leftist, not pro-EU, not politically correct opinion
- mrleiter 8y agoI did not downvote your comment, I flagged it instead. Insinuating to hang democratically elected law makers for doing their job, in this case protecting the privacy of their constituents, is beyond any discussion.
- weddpros 8y agoYou're probably very aware of the fact not all EU law makers are elected... and that "protecting the privacy of their constituents" is probably not really their intentions either. Arranging laws so they can fine US companies Billions for succeeding where EU companies fail? that's probably more like their goal. The EU is full of countries (I can speak for France, "my" country) who show no respect for privacy (France has installed black boxes at every ISP to monitor everybody, and nobody cares). And now we're trying to "protect" EU citizens? Seriously? People are so brain washed to accept limits to their own freedom... GDPR will not give you more freedom if it's used to prevent sane competition from outside the EU... GDPR will harm Europeans. Restrictions never make you more free.
- pjc50 8y agoI'm actually looking forward to seeing less US news. One of the downsides of being on the global English-speaking internet of social link propagation-discussion sites is that it's incredibly US centric. We need to pay more attention to our own countries and localities.
- darkgray 8y agoJapanese forum giant 5ch (formerly 2ch) has also decided to IP block all of EU in order to "comply" with GDPR, as of a few days ago. I've been hoping it wouldn't spread, since it's depressing to be confined to a little internet bubble in this day and age. Guess I'll be needing a VPN.
- cyber 8y agoCareful which countries you go to with that VPN. You don’t want to intentionally circumvent an access control restriction. ;)
- jake_the_third 8y agoAs a non-European who has no problems complying with the GDPR and has resources at his disposal: Please, If someone knows of a list of all companies and services that refuse to comply with the GDPR, please point me to it. To me, this seems like an incredible once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get into previously captured markets.
- sildur 8y agoWell, good riddance to all of those companies which do not want to comply with a law made to protect citizen’s privacy. Europeans now have an antispam, anticrooks filter for free.
- drivingmenuts 8y agoSo what happens with all the open-source projects that EU citizens are involved in? Some of those are (more or less) based in the US. Are they also covered by the GDPR or is it just businesses?
- stunt 8y agoIf your core values are we don't give a f.. to our user's privacy, obviously you don't do anything in 2 years for them.
- legitster 8y agoTo add some flavor to this, there are only a handful of vendors that sell cookie opt-in software in the US, and implementing one on our own tiny site was a nightmare. If the business model revolves around ads or third party services, I can't imagine how much worse it would be to get running.