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>allowing you to not constantly exert force on the steering wheel using your arms/hands. This is not the benefit of autopilot because this task requires virtua

>allowing you to not constantly exert force on the steering wheel using your arms/hands. This is not the benefit of autopilot because this task requires virtually no effort to begin with and you still need your hands on the wheel anyway. The real strain in driving is the mental strain, and that is why people turn it on. The reality is that Telsa is using humans to iron out the bugs in their fully autonomous vehicles and legal clauses to get them out of the fact that they are killing people. I have a car with all of those new safety features like warnings about cars to your side as you change lanes, warnings about cars driving past as you reverse out of a car park and so on. The reality is that you stop performing the roles that the car starts performing. You stop looking as much when you reverse out of a car park because you trust the beeping noise will occur if a car is coming along, and so on. It is just human nature to start relying on something that works every time you use it. I don't really feel sorry for anyone driving a tesla though. They are the ones choosing to be Tesla's bug testers.

imh 8y ago
>I don't really feel sorry for anyone driving a tesla though. They are the ones choosing to be Tesla's bug testers. They're only doing that if it's an informed choice. I think Tesla's marketing is to blame, and think it's not an informed choice, so I do feel bad for the people getting in accidents (and the few dying) because of it.
- 234998234 8y ago
  A lot of users seem to know what they are getting into though. https://youtu.be/QM5z0dW60KE?t=279 https://youtu.be/QM5z0dW60KE?t=279
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ddoolin 8y ago
If your car is outfitted with all of those same features, why is Tesla different? This exact news and discussion has popped up enough times among "ordinary folk" that nobody is really fooled (and I don't agree that was Tesla's motive) about the capabilities. If they are, I'm chalking it up to negligence. Tesla drivers are given ample warning from Tesla themselves, their cars, the news, and our social circles.
- 234998234 8y ago
  It is just a difference of magnitude. If my car is wrong, I will get into a minor accident. If the Tesla is wrong it will drive you into a rail at 100km/h. It seems impossible to go from manual driving to fully autonomous without killing a lot of humans. The companies making these technologies know it. Everybody who buys one of these cars should be aware of it. I would never buy one. I don't even want the end product. I want control over my life. In a manual car, there is a bit of control because you can drive safely and so on. You are still susceptible to other drivers though. In an autonomous car, it can kill me on an empty road.
  - abalone 8y ago
    It might be helpful to identify a third kind of car, which is a manual car with automated collision avoidance. Oftentimes such features are lumped in with autonomous driving, which leads to claims about autonomous driving safety. But they can be broken out and are where the bulk of the safety benefits reside.
  - v_lisivka 8y ago
    If rate of accident per mile is lower, then lot of people lives will be saved. It's same as with trains and planes: lot of people can be killed in accident by autopilot, but trains and planes are much safer than cars on _average_.
- jonhendry18 8y ago
  "If your car is outfitted with all of those same features, why is Tesla different?" Maybe a) Tesla's tech isn't as good and b) Tesla's customers are more likely to be tech nerds / Tesla fans and so more likely to overestimate the capabilities of the car.
abalone 8y ago
> The real strain in driving is the mental strain, and that is why people turn it on. Exactly. If people were actually complying with autopilot’s TOS it wouldn’t actually be more relaxing. But then it wouldn’t be a compelling feature. You’d just be volunteering to help with fleet learning, which is a noble goal, but probably not something people would do en masse or pay thousands more for. Tesla is implying it’s a lower mental load to get more people to use it.. while having TOS that holds you responsible if you pay less attention.

imh 8y ago

>I don't really feel sorry for anyone driving a tesla though. They are the ones choosing to be Tesla's bug testers. They're only doing that if it's an informed choice. I think Tesla's marketing is to blame, and think it's not an informed choice, so I do feel bad for the people getting in accidents (and the few dying) because of it.

234998234 8y ago
A lot of users seem to know what they are getting into though. https://youtu.be/QM5z0dW60KE?t=279 https://youtu.be/QM5z0dW60KE?t=279

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ddoolin 8y ago

If your car is outfitted with all of those same features, why is Tesla different? This exact news and discussion has popped up enough times among "ordinary folk" that nobody is really fooled (and I don't agree that was Tesla's motive) about the capabilities. If they are, I'm chalking it up to negligence. Tesla drivers are given ample warning from Tesla themselves, their cars, the news, and our social circles.

234998234 8y ago
It is just a difference of magnitude. If my car is wrong, I will get into a minor accident. If the Tesla is wrong it will drive you into a rail at 100km/h. It seems impossible to go from manual driving to fully autonomous without killing a lot of humans. The companies making these technologies know it. Everybody who buys one of these cars should be aware of it. I would never buy one. I don't even want the end product. I want control over my life. In a manual car, there is a bit of control because you can drive safely and so on. You are still susceptible to other drivers though. In an autonomous car, it can kill me on an empty road.
- abalone 8y ago
  It might be helpful to identify a third kind of car, which is a manual car with automated collision avoidance. Oftentimes such features are lumped in with autonomous driving, which leads to claims about autonomous driving safety. But they can be broken out and are where the bulk of the safety benefits reside.
- v_lisivka 8y ago
  If rate of accident per mile is lower, then lot of people lives will be saved. It's same as with trains and planes: lot of people can be killed in accident by autopilot, but trains and planes are much safer than cars on _average_.
jonhendry18 8y ago
"If your car is outfitted with all of those same features, why is Tesla different?" Maybe a) Tesla's tech isn't as good and b) Tesla's customers are more likely to be tech nerds / Tesla fans and so more likely to overestimate the capabilities of the car.

abalone 8y ago

> The real strain in driving is the mental strain, and that is why people turn it on. Exactly. If people were actually complying with autopilot’s TOS it wouldn’t actually be more relaxing. But then it wouldn’t be a compelling feature. You’d just be volunteering to help with fleet learning, which is a noble goal, but probably not something people would do en masse or pay thousands more for. Tesla is implying it’s a lower mental load to get more people to use it.. while having TOS that holds you responsible if you pay less attention.