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I posed this question in another thread, but I think it is interesting in other people's perspectives: As a citizen in the developed world, how do you defend y

by 15155 8y ago

I posed this question in another thread, but I think it is interesting in other people's perspectives: As a citizen in the developed world, how do you defend yourself against violence? How would your (wife|husband|child|grandmother) defend theirselves? I am not tough enough to physically fend off multiple violent aggressors, unfortunately.

mikepurvis 8y ago
How many scenarios are you likely to face in your life where it's necessary to "fend off multiple violent aggressors"? Is it a statistically significant number? How many of those are improved by the introduction of another firearm vs. allowing the situation to run its course and catching the perpetrators after the fact (which is how most of the developed world does, in fact, handle it). Even in the rare circumstance where there is a violent confrontation, most people are not able to effectively wield a firearm and make the situation better than it would have been without. That is, household guns for defensive purposes are like driving an SUV— it's mostly about the feeling of safety, but the reality is that it's basically worse in every way than the alternative.
- 15155 8y ago
  > Is it a statistically significant number It's non-zero and happens quite frequently where I live. Not all of us are privileged. > How many of those are improved by the introduction of another firearm vs. allowing the situation to run its course and catching the perpetrators after the fact (which is how most of the developed world does, in fact, handle it Meanwhile, the victim is raped or not alive to see this possible "justice." What a fucking joke - I'll take my chances with a firearm instead. "Justice after the fact" isn't acceptable to me, I'd rather stop the crime being committed against me from happening. > That is, household guns for defensive purposes are like driving an SUV— it's mostly about the feeling of safety, but the reality is that it's basically worse in every way than the alternative. Just a moment ago you were a citizen of the "developed world," where firearms apparently don't exist and violence doesn't happen, and now you understand how "hard" it is to utilize and use firearms for one's protection? Really curious as to where your knowledge comes from! You never answered my question, either. You presupposed that these "situations don't happen" as your argument. Should I just take this to mean the default of: "I cannot protect myself or my family from violent individuals?"

by 15155 8y ago

mikepurvis 8y ago

How many scenarios are you likely to face in your life where it's necessary to "fend off multiple violent aggressors"? Is it a statistically significant number? How many of those are improved by the introduction of another firearm vs. allowing the situation to run its course and catching the perpetrators after the fact (which is how most of the developed world does, in fact, handle it). Even in the rare circumstance where there is a violent confrontation, most people are not able to effectively wield a firearm and make the situation better than it would have been without. That is, household guns for defensive purposes are like driving an SUV— it's mostly about the feeling of safety, but the reality is that it's basically worse in every way than the alternative.

15155 8y ago
> Is it a statistically significant number It's non-zero and happens quite frequently where I live. Not all of us are privileged. > How many of those are improved by the introduction of another firearm vs. allowing the situation to run its course and catching the perpetrators after the fact (which is how most of the developed world does, in fact, handle it Meanwhile, the victim is raped or not alive to see this possible "justice." What a fucking joke - I'll take my chances with a firearm instead. "Justice after the fact" isn't acceptable to me, I'd rather stop the crime being committed against me from happening. > That is, household guns for defensive purposes are like driving an SUV— it's mostly about the feeling of safety, but the reality is that it's basically worse in every way than the alternative. Just a moment ago you were a citizen of the "developed world," where firearms apparently don't exist and violence doesn't happen, and now you understand how "hard" it is to utilize and use firearms for one's protection? Really curious as to where your knowledge comes from! You never answered my question, either. You presupposed that these "situations don't happen" as your argument. Should I just take this to mean the default of: "I cannot protect myself or my family from violent individuals?"