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> Do not fire unless fired upon is common rule of engagement for military operating under much more adverse conditions. No, there are different ROEs depending
by ben509 8y ago
> Do not fire unless fired upon is common rule of engagement for military operating under much more adverse conditions.
No, there are different ROEs depending on the situation. "Don't fire unless fired upon" applies to a checkpoint or other defensive situation.
If you're doing a cordon and search, which is very roughly equivalent to what SWAT does, you shoot if you see weapons.
The process to clear a room is a team (typically of four) stacks against the door, breaches the door, and then the goal is to get into the room and eliminate targets in your assigned sector.
You absolutely would fire preemptively because when you're going into a room there's just no time to wait, and you're relying on speed and ferocity to overcome the fact that you just dived into a room.
Now, all that said, that's also why you want to do that sort of thing as little as possible.
Source: US Army doctrine and training as combat arms. Thankfully never had to do one myself...
- emodendroket 8y agoOK. That's not the situation here.
- ben509 8y agoFair point; to be clear, I was responding very specifically to the argument that "but military won't even do this."
- almost_usual 8y agoHad a childhood friend whose dad got his face blown off by a shotgun during one of these searches. It’s easy to be an armchair expert on an Internet forum, whole different world when at the scene.
- ceejayoz 8y ago> whole different world when at the scene That works both ways. Sometimes, it's better to make national law enforcement policies when not pumping with adrenaline at the scene of a tense scenario.
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- sangnoir 8y ago> If you're doing a cordon and search, which is very roughly equivalent to what SWAT does, you shoot if you see weapons. Looks to me like the military has less itchy trigger-fingers. The man was outdoors, and they didn't see any weapons.
- zzzcpan 8y agoFor military this would be a war crime.