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Are buried flywheels used in practice? Is the flywheel axis aligned with the Earth rotation axis? Do they pull a vacuum around it?
by blevin 8y ago
Are buried flywheels used in practice? Is the flywheel axis aligned with the Earth rotation axis? Do they pull a vacuum around it?
- dredmorbius 8y agoYes, in cases, to the first two. Containment is frequently buried concrete vaults. Not AFAIK for the last, though precessional torque bearing load is a nontrivial consideration.
- blevin 8y agoThanks for this response. My untrained guess is that precessional torque would cause more loss than air friction, assuming the wheel is cleanly symmetric (ex. no bolt heads sticking out). It's fascinating how many paths there are to push something up various kinds of potential energy gradient in a way that it mostly stays there by itself but is still available to us to access in a controllable way. Wikipedia claims flywheel loss rate circa 2013 of 5% per day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_storage_power_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_storage_power_system That compares to recent estimates of Tesla li-ion loss rates at under 5% per month -- 0.16% per day. Amber Kinetics is one company building fixed flywheel storage products. http://amberkinetics.com/ http://amberkinetics.com/ They have one 32 kWh, 5-ton, 98% steel flywheel installation on Oahu; pictures here: http://amberkinetics.com/hawaiian-electric-and-amber-kinetics-begin-flywheel-energy-storage-demonstration-with-support-from-elemental-excelerator/ http://amberkinetics.com/hawaiian-electric-and-amber-kinetic...
- dredmorbius 8y agoFrictionaal losses are part of the consideration, but just plain bearing wear is a bigger one AFAIU. Angular momentum in 100 kWh - multi MWh rotational systems is large.