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And what exactly does this "vulnerability" mean in real terms? Let's be honest. No one cares what conversations are going on in your house _unless_ you're someo

And what exactly does this "vulnerability" mean in real terms? Let's be honest. No one cares what conversations are going on in your house _unless_ you're someone specifically targeted. There's little use in mopping up data with no goal.

bluGill 8y ago
If mopping up everybody's conversations is cheap enough Russia/Iran/China/(insert your favorite large evil) does. If you happen to run of political office 15 years from now having all your conversations available to analyze will be useful. If they don't like you, you might find some out of context snippet of "private conversation" all over social media killing your campaign. (or alternatively the blackmail threat if you don't X) That is they will target everybody because they know in a few years that will include somebody who they currently think is a nobody. Of course as AI gets better and cheaper they may eventually listen to everything to see what who can be targeted automatically for what.
- darpa_escapee 8y ago
  Economic espionage is a mainstay of intelligence agencies, so you don't even need to play the potential politician scenario out. Just working for a company that an agency is surveilling is enough to make you worth targeting.
pessimizer 8y ago
If I'm using a dragnet to grab every conversation and filter it for things I personally care about, your conversation could make you someone I want to specifically target. As a random example: let's say that I want to kill someone who lives in your neighborhood. I could analyze your conversations, comings and goings to figure out when and how to kill that person, and blame it on you. I could on a continual basis run numbers on everyone emitting data in your neighborhood, until someone had arrived at a point where their friends would testify against them on the basis of conversations with the potential patsy, that patsy had no alibi, and tailor the murder on the basis of the means that the patsy had available to them at the time. I could also just be trying to figure out if you were a homosexual, or muslim.
kerng 8y ago
It depends on what future you want to live in. I prefer one, where this is not okay.

bluGill 8y ago

If mopping up everybody's conversations is cheap enough Russia/Iran/China/(insert your favorite large evil) does. If you happen to run of political office 15 years from now having all your conversations available to analyze will be useful. If they don't like you, you might find some out of context snippet of "private conversation" all over social media killing your campaign. (or alternatively the blackmail threat if you don't X) That is they will target everybody because they know in a few years that will include somebody who they currently think is a nobody. Of course as AI gets better and cheaper they may eventually listen to everything to see what who can be targeted automatically for what.

darpa_escapee 8y ago
Economic espionage is a mainstay of intelligence agencies, so you don't even need to play the potential politician scenario out. Just working for a company that an agency is surveilling is enough to make you worth targeting.

pessimizer 8y ago

If I'm using a dragnet to grab every conversation and filter it for things I personally care about, your conversation could make you someone I want to specifically target. As a random example: let's say that I want to kill someone who lives in your neighborhood. I could analyze your conversations, comings and goings to figure out when and how to kill that person, and blame it on you. I could on a continual basis run numbers on everyone emitting data in your neighborhood, until someone had arrived at a point where their friends would testify against them on the basis of conversations with the potential patsy, that patsy had no alibi, and tailor the murder on the basis of the means that the patsy had available to them at the time. I could also just be trying to figure out if you were a homosexual, or muslim.

kerng 8y ago

It depends on what future you want to live in. I prefer one, where this is not okay.