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1k upvotes. I check in on Fable and F# semi frequently but SAFE has somehow slipped under my radar. I wonder if the ionide project will get some extra support..
by Rapzid 8y ago
1k upvotes. I check in on Fable and F# semi frequently but SAFE has somehow slipped under my radar. I wonder if the ionide project will get some extra support..
Suave though... Nothing against Suave, but it's not the Phoenix competitor the ecosystem is in dire need of. I was under the impression some newer frameworks like Giraffe were going to fill that void..
- grayrest 8y agoIt's in an early stage but the Saturn [1] project is aiming to compete with Phoenix more directly. The owner is a fairly prolific F# open source contributor and presented it at NYC F# last month but that's about all I know about it. [1] https://github.com/SaturnFramework/Saturn https://github.com/SaturnFramework/Saturn
- Rapzid 8y agoThat's fantastic! I gave F# a look right after MS announced dotnet was being open source and have been excited for it's "arrival" ever since. The pieces seem to be coming together, albeit very slowly.. * "Official" Cross platform support -> dotnet core FTW! * Cross-IDE intellisense support -> Ionide, Check! * Dotnet core support -> Check, finally(and make sure to set Ionide to use core)! * F# to javascript cross compilation project with some traction -> Fable, check(Fable needs serious documentation help though)! * A great framework competing head on with Phoenix -> Hopefully soon :) The potential just seems sooo massive. Hopefully it blows up quicker than Haskell ;)
- sasmithjr 8y agoI started looking at F# because of .NET Core, and I'm really liking it. I currently use Giraffe in a project, but I'll be switching it to Saturn soon (which uses Giraffe under the hood). And I've identified a potential use case for using Fable on some already written server-side code. Ionide is great, Neptune (F# debugger for VSCode) works well, and they both are maintained by the same person as Saturn. Rider also works pretty well with F#, which is nice if you prefer the JetBrains IDEs.
- qop 8y agoAre you aware of https://github.com/SaturnFramework/Saturn https://github.com/SaturnFramework/Saturn ? It's what the S in safe is actually meant to be, not suave. It's very similar, in heart anyways, to phoenix. The fsharp community is fighting what is essentially an uphill battle. We have ML but we've got to jump through dotnet hoops to get shit done. One man's cruft is another man's feature. I doubt ionide will support SAFE, but maybe they will have a sister plugin? Idk how all that works.
- Rapzid 8y agoI had not! Looking into it now.. Ionide could just use some extra help I mean; it appears to be the work of just one guy. Hopefully with the increased interested in F# web development it will get some extra love more ala omnisharp.
- Rapzid 8y agoSo, I know this is a late reply to this but.. My reaction to the announcement post was "YES!", but I see a few choices in current "Moons" that are part of the same problem the project proposes to fix. Dapper is performant and good for what it is, but entity framework is an amazing ORM IMHO. Simple.Migrations does not have a CLI or support SQL generation?... These are too low level and don't really provide that flash OOTB experience IMHO; same critique(valid) made of Suave and Giraffe. To compete with rails and phoenix in velocity and user experience those technologies are going to have to be swapped out with more feature rich and ambitious libraries..