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There will probably be court cases over this. At one time automakers tried to say if you used third party oil filters or other parts, or if anyone other than t

There will probably be court cases over this. At one time automakers tried to say if you used third party oil filters or other parts, or if anyone other than the dealer did work, then your warranty was void. That didn't hold up. Publishers tried to say that you could not re-sell books and recordings and software media after you purchased them. That didn't hold up. Not sure that this will hold up either.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
You’re referring to physical parts. To my knowledge, no automaker providers their software and related tooling to end users (please correct me if I’m mistake). You’re going to need a copyright law overhaul to change this status quo.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  And you're referring to what you can physically do with your own vehicle after you buy it. To my knowledge that has absolutely nothing to do with software copyright law. I don't understand your basis for arguing that software's copyright can be used to infringe other rights. For example can my water heater's manufacturer ban me from washing my dog in the bath because they own copyright on the software in the thermostat micro-controller? If Tesla were going to provide liability insurance, I could absolutely see them having the ability to limit usage (under that insurance). But software copyright is an unusual argument.
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    To use Tesla FSD (full self driving) with a rideshare network, you will need to hook into the Tesla vehicle onboard software or Tesla’s API. Those actions will require Tesla’s cooperation. Otherwise, feel free to sit in the car while it drives itself on autopilot, Tesla isn’t stopping that, only the use of its full autonomy software (when it arrives) for commercial purposes on rideshare networks other than its own. Existing law supports this, and I don’t foresee policy changing in this regard.
    - Someone1234 8y ago
      > To use Tesla FSD (full self driving) with a rideshare network, you will need to hook into the Tesla vehicle onboard software or Tesla’s API. If there is an operator in the vehicle, they could just enter the destination the old fashioned way. > Existing law supports this, and I don’t foresee policy changing in this regard. It really doesn't. I'm not sure which "law" you're even referring to.
- notlob 8y ago
  They are I think referring to first-sale doctrine.
rsynnott 8y ago
> There will probably be court cases over this. Well, probably not, because realistically Tesla's self-driving isn't going to be happening anytime soon.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

You’re referring to physical parts. To my knowledge, no automaker providers their software and related tooling to end users (please correct me if I’m mistake). You’re going to need a copyright law overhaul to change this status quo.

Someone1234 8y ago
And you're referring to what you can physically do with your own vehicle after you buy it. To my knowledge that has absolutely nothing to do with software copyright law. I don't understand your basis for arguing that software's copyright can be used to infringe other rights. For example can my water heater's manufacturer ban me from washing my dog in the bath because they own copyright on the software in the thermostat micro-controller? If Tesla were going to provide liability insurance, I could absolutely see them having the ability to limit usage (under that insurance). But software copyright is an unusual argument.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  To use Tesla FSD (full self driving) with a rideshare network, you will need to hook into the Tesla vehicle onboard software or Tesla’s API. Those actions will require Tesla’s cooperation. Otherwise, feel free to sit in the car while it drives itself on autopilot, Tesla isn’t stopping that, only the use of its full autonomy software (when it arrives) for commercial purposes on rideshare networks other than its own. Existing law supports this, and I don’t foresee policy changing in this regard.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    > To use Tesla FSD (full self driving) with a rideshare network, you will need to hook into the Tesla vehicle onboard software or Tesla’s API. If there is an operator in the vehicle, they could just enter the destination the old fashioned way. > Existing law supports this, and I don’t foresee policy changing in this regard. It really doesn't. I'm not sure which "law" you're even referring to.
notlob 8y ago
They are I think referring to first-sale doctrine.

rsynnott 8y ago

> There will probably be court cases over this. Well, probably not, because realistically Tesla's self-driving isn't going to be happening anytime soon.