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> Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction So

> Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction So the software is ready, it's just those damn regulators that are holding it back. Come on. The way this is phrased makes it sound like the features are just around the corner, not that the software is years from working, if it's even possible at all. I know somebody who was told by a Tesla salesman that "Destination Based Autopilot is only months away". The advertising is absolutely deceptive, and I say this as a Tesla owner and fan of the company.

cpuguy83 8y ago
Come on... We all know that sales people will quite literally say anything to make a sale.
- slfnflctd 8y ago
  This is understood, and we all expect them to carefully phrase things to put their product in the best possible light. Misleading statements are the norm. Outright lying is another matter entirely, and in some cases could even be criminal. If I have you on video telling me I can drive the car I'm buying at 90 mph toward a brick wall and the car will prevent a collision, and I then test that statement and die, the video will be used against you in court by my surviving family members.
  - Animats 8y ago
    This is understood, and we all expect them to carefully phrase things to put their product in the best possible light. Misleading statements are the norm. Only where enforcement is weak. Two years ago, the government of Germany shut down Tesla's "autopilot" advertising for making false claims.
- mannykannot 8y ago
  And that's no reason for us to accept it without comment. Especially when it encourages people who are not quite as smart as you to do things that put other people (and themselves) at risk.
jsight 8y ago
I agree with you. I don't personally have a problem with the claims around Enhanced Auto Pilot, but the FSD option is really bad marketing, IMO. It is nowhere close to being ready to do the things that they talk about and may never achieve some of them. The owners who buy that are really donating a few thousand dollars to Tesla without getting anything in return. Its really strange.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  Indeed. A lot of people talk about the "Does it have enough sensors for Full Self Drive?" but my question would also be: Does it have the Compute? As vehicles get closer and closer to full self drive the compute requirements have shot up, that's because a lot of the building blocks are just adding more machine learning models, pattern recognizers, and a more complete picture of the world. It is all well and good having a dozen sensors, if you can process their input. A lot of the key cycles cannot be offloaded to The Cloud because of the tolerances (e.g. sub-second query/response for safety). One university project I happen to know of had $20K worth of compute sitting in the trunk. That will obviously come down as it is optimized but a vehicle sold in early 2018 isn't evergreen.
  - davedx 8y ago
    Musk mentioned this in the last IR Q&A. He said that it might indeed not have the compute, but that swapping in hardware with enough compute would be a 'plug and play' operation.
    - shanghaiaway 8y ago
      That's what he said but it won't be.

cpuguy83 8y ago

Come on... We all know that sales people will quite literally say anything to make a sale.

slfnflctd 8y ago
This is understood, and we all expect them to carefully phrase things to put their product in the best possible light. Misleading statements are the norm. Outright lying is another matter entirely, and in some cases could even be criminal. If I have you on video telling me I can drive the car I'm buying at 90 mph toward a brick wall and the car will prevent a collision, and I then test that statement and die, the video will be used against you in court by my surviving family members.
- Animats 8y ago
  This is understood, and we all expect them to carefully phrase things to put their product in the best possible light. Misleading statements are the norm. Only where enforcement is weak. Two years ago, the government of Germany shut down Tesla's "autopilot" advertising for making false claims.
mannykannot 8y ago
And that's no reason for us to accept it without comment. Especially when it encourages people who are not quite as smart as you to do things that put other people (and themselves) at risk.

jsight 8y ago

I agree with you. I don't personally have a problem with the claims around Enhanced Auto Pilot, but the FSD option is really bad marketing, IMO. It is nowhere close to being ready to do the things that they talk about and may never achieve some of them. The owners who buy that are really donating a few thousand dollars to Tesla without getting anything in return. Its really strange.

Someone1234 8y ago
Indeed. A lot of people talk about the "Does it have enough sensors for Full Self Drive?" but my question would also be: Does it have the Compute? As vehicles get closer and closer to full self drive the compute requirements have shot up, that's because a lot of the building blocks are just adding more machine learning models, pattern recognizers, and a more complete picture of the world. It is all well and good having a dozen sensors, if you can process their input. A lot of the key cycles cannot be offloaded to The Cloud because of the tolerances (e.g. sub-second query/response for safety). One university project I happen to know of had $20K worth of compute sitting in the trunk. That will obviously come down as it is optimized but a vehicle sold in early 2018 isn't evergreen.
- davedx 8y ago
  Musk mentioned this in the last IR Q&A. He said that it might indeed not have the compute, but that swapping in hardware with enough compute would be a 'plug and play' operation.
  - shanghaiaway 8y ago
    That's what he said but it won't be.