This doesn't make sense to me. There's no such thing as "value" determined by the laws of physics or floating around in the universe. Things that don't have mi

This doesn't make sense to me. There's no such thing as "value" determined by the laws of physics or floating around in the universe. Things that don't have minds don't have the concept of value. But we do. Value is created by human minds. And if value is created by human minds, then it's definition depends on what we find valuable. I find not being tortured pretty fucking valuable, so are many other people [citation needed]. If I place value on a thing or a state of mind or some state of the world, then it's valuable.